Jan 13 at SPC

Discuss past FAST events. How did it go?
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Postby Jamie » Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:05 pm

kickslop wrote:I don't have any problem abiding by the rules if we decide that at SPC everyone must be completely standing 100% upright, but... I was completely able to move immediately for any reason.

If anyone was concerned, there should have been a radio broadcast regarding safety. Takes 3 seconds and a friendly message.
At various times during the day, there were all sorts of variations, ranging from leaning on the rail, to sitting on the rail (feet up off the ground), and squatting on the ground next to the rail.

As far as announcements, I made one at the drivers' meeting, made another one over the radio at the start of the first heat when I was in timing, and yet another in the middle of the first heat. Drew and Bob made at least one during the second heat. I was driving during the last heat, so wasn't paying attention to the issue then.

If I remember correctly, the few people killed in this sport haven't been in the car -- they've been courseworkers or people otherwise in the course area (FWIW, that's where the photographer spotter rule comes from, too). Having once personally had the pleasure of sprinting away from a spinning Corvette while working a course, I tend to go with the idea your feet best serve you when you're standing on 'em. For this one, I can live with whatever decision our fearsome leader makes.
I don't understand how the delay at start was from course layout. I walked the entire course at 8:45AM. It was fully chalked, with chalked cones, by 9:30AM. From 9:50AM until the driver's meeting (10:20?), there were ~50 people milling around talking and waiting.
The delay was sequential work -- most of the same people cleared the training cones, set up the course and timing equipment, outlined the course, prepared for and conducted the driver's meeting...no chance for parallel work. It's possible to draft people and hand out jobs on the fly, but a little simpler and quicker to identify them up front and know they'll be there when you need them.
I had a great time.
Then it was all worth it. :) Seriously, if this is as bad as it gets, we're going to have a great season!
Loren wrote:Would it be too far-fetched to change the names of our classes from A-G that nobody can remember... to some acronyms that actually make sense?
I think the problem's largely solved. We didn't get the classing rules finalized until halfway through the first preregistration period, so many people had the opportunity to registered as "unclassified". That's no longer an option -- registration requires them to put something in, so they either figure it out on their own or e-mail the club drop-box and I help them from there. I'd also meant to print off a classing definition sheet for registration, but my printer connection crapped out the night before (which is why I was walking around w/ the worker assignments on the laptop). I'll have that done prior to the next event as well.

I'm inclined to leave it as is...after all, "PR3" is no more informative than "B" to someone new, and those who've already figured it out know where their car belongs.
Does that mean that it was decided that for now we don't need to worry about rotary displacement calculation?
Yes...leave them be for this year. Can't be any worse than that pesky S2000.... :)

[quote"Native"]the funny thing is, Jamie emailed me to make sure I knew you [Loren & Jeff] were in E ![/quote]
My bad...I knew I needed to change something, and got it backwards.
Dave-ROR wrote:...should Novices be marked differently on the results or put into a different class so they can compare themselves against other novices?
To add to what Steve said -- we do ID the novices in the event list to pinpoint people who might need additional help, and to keep from loading a worker position entirely with newbies. Up to Steve if he wants to ID them in the results.
WAFlowers wrote:However I'm planning to entertain y'all with my cone killing antics next month!

This is assuming that I'm still living in Florida then.
Doesn't matter where you go...an autocross will find you. :)
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Postby Dave-ROR » Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:12 pm

Jamie wrote:Yes...leave them be for this year. Can't be any worse than that pesky S2000.... :)
So you're saying that Scott should get a handicap? I agree. :)

I'm far faster in my beat up Integra GS-R than I am in my S2000, should I bring that next time? :)
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Postby WAFlowers » Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:17 pm

Jamie wrote:Doesn't matter where you go...an autocross will find you. :)
I'm sure it will, even if it is a seasonal sport instead of year 'round wherever I am in a month or two.
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Postby Loren » Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:37 pm

WAFlowers wrote:
Jamie wrote:Doesn't matter where you go...an autocross will find you. :)
I'm sure it will, even if it is a seasonal sport instead of year 'round wherever I am in a month or two.
Mmmmm... Ice Racing!

Seriously, Bill... are things looking like you're going to end up moving soon?
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Postby Alizarin » Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:43 pm

Loren wrote:Logo is the same logo from the website. I guess it could stand to have more dpi.
Just tell me what size you want.
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Postby WAFlowers » Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:31 pm

Loren wrote:Seriously, Bill... are things looking like you're going to end up moving soon?
Probably not the place to discuss it, but I don't know if I'll have a job much past this week. I think I will, but that is just a guess on my part.

Personally I think the new owners would be foolish to let me go, but maybe they don't see it that way. Or maybe they won't think I'm worth as much as I do.

Ask me again sometime next week.
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Postby Native » Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:26 pm

Pilgrim and Jwelty - glad to have you on the board, at the events, and a sincere thanks for the compliments. Pilgrim, as for the dot, think of it as a gift... :lol:

As for courseworker safety (and the helmet issue, not that there isn't a different thread here), I am really trying my best to keep myself reigned in here. My day job is helping people recover from traumatic brain injuries, like one might get in, um, say, oh, a CAR ACCIDENT!! Not that I'm unique, but I do have a scary understanding of just how little it takes to permanently ruin someone's life. All drama aside, what the couseworkers do is Dangerous (with a capital D, get it?). There are a myriad of ways one could get seriously hurt, including, just for example, hurrying to stand from sitting, tangling up their feet, losing their balance, falling, smacking their head on the ground, and thankyouandgoodnight.
Courseworkers need to be on their feet and able to move quickly. I am deliberately trying to be lax about helmets, as drivers are in a somewhat different position than the workers, but that's another thread.

Moving on, I am in favor of a "team" of workers to set up and tear down. Kenny spent over 10 hours at SPC, helped setup and tear down, not counting all the behind the scenes work he did. There's no reason for that, for anyone.

Next, the Class Man has spoken. Letters A through R, not inclusive, will stay.

On the rotary issue, just so I have it straight - naturally aspirated rotary are in the under 3L class. Forced induction rotary are 3L and up - do I have this right?

Identifying novices in the results will be explored further.

edit: just re-read this. Sorry to be so blunt. I'm in a hurry. :)
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Postby Loren » Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:31 pm

Spoken like a true leader. Don't apologize, Steve. The buck has to stop somewhere!
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Postby Jamie » Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:43 pm

Dave-ROR wrote:
Jamie wrote:Yes...leave them be for this year. Can't be any worse than that pesky S2000.... :)
So you're saying that Scott should get a handicap? I agree. :)
Me too...when I run race tires, I move into Class C with the both of them. :)
I'm far faster in my beat up Integra GS-R than I am in my S2000, should I bring that next time? :)
Wait'll I get around to fixing the brakes on the Prelude...I fear no torqueless 'Tegs!
Native wrote:On the rotary issue....
Glad you reminded me -- I'd been looking into it. We're going to caclulate rotaries the same way the Japanese do: Effective displacement = rotary displacement * 1.5. The turbo increase goes on top of that. Too much math? Don't worry about it -- it works out like this:

12A-powered cars (RX-2, early RX-3/4, 1st gen RX-7 except GSL-SE) are under 3 liters in any form
13B-powered cars (later RX-3/4, 1st gen RX-7 GSL-SE, all 2d & 3d gen RX-7s) and Renesis-powered cars (all RX-8s) are under 3 liters NA, over 3 liters with forced induction.

Shouldn't change the way anything was classed last weekend.
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Postby Pilgrim » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:36 am

I was asking about the small NASA sticker. Sorry about not identifying what I was asking about. And yes I know about the small dot stickers. Most events do the same thing for identifying a car that has been teched.
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Postby 91MBNA » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:01 am

It was a fun event,my only question is why some cars that were obviously modified in the production class?My only mods really are intake,exhaust,and tires lol.Hard going up against turbo's and such.Had fun anyways great event.I got 3rd in my class i was happy for my first time,here is my first run,Got sideways when i gave it WOT lol,next run i spun out BIG time.And my last run i drifted the figure 8 perfectly.Great meeting some of you see you in brooksville.First video is me 2nd is my step-dad he wasnt trying cause it was his first run so he was just checkin out the track.
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Postby AScoda » Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:03 am

You ran in class E -modified/ under 3L/ street tires.
There is also more than one class in a run group so there were probably stock class cars in the same run group as your modified class.
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Postby 91MBNA » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:31 am

AScoda wrote:You ran in class E -modified/ under 3L/ street tires.
There is also more than one class in a run group so there were probably stock class cars in the same run group as your modified class.
I know my class also ran with modified 3.0+ street tires also,but there were some in productions class that i dont think should have been.I'm out there for fun i dont care that much lol.And man do i need more power lol,in 2nd gear it just is a dog down low,once the revs came up it spun lol.
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Postby Dave-ROR » Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:08 am

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AScoda wrote:You ran in class E -modified/ under 3L/ street tires.
There is also more than one class in a run group so there were probably stock class cars in the same run group as your modified class.
I know my class also ran with modified 3.0+ street tires also,but there were some in productions class that i dont think should have been.I'm out there for fun i dont care that much lol.And man do i need more power lol,in 2nd gear it just is a dog down low,once the revs came up it spun lol.
It sounds like you should have been in Production class, intake, exhaust and different street tires won't bump you, at least not based on my reading of the classing rules. Do you have anything else done? CF hood, lowering springs, interior removed, etc? A number of cars in Production had minor mods like an intake (I have an intake, doesn't really make power but I can hear the motor at high rpms with a helmet on, something I couldn't do before).
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Postby Native » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:41 pm

The small NASA stickers are "trophy decals" from last year. You must have come in first second third in class, or set FTD...

we're working on new ones for FAST, and will be handing them out retroactively as soon as we design and purchase them.
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Postby Native » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:44 pm

Identifying novices in the results will be explored further.
We're gonna leave it the way it is. In keeping with our philosphy of novices comparing themselves to the "rest of their class" it really doens't matter who's a novice - you either beat them or you didn't...
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Postby Jamie » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:07 pm

Dave-ROR wrote: It sounds like you should have been in Production class, intake, exhaust and different street tires won't bump you....
Right. In order to keep the number of classes down, we drew the groups pretty broadly. There is no strictly stock class -- the Production classes allow a limited set of modifications. See http://wedrivefast.com/rules" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Postby Loren » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:13 pm

Jamie wrote:See http://wedrivefast.com/rules" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Try http://wedrivefast.com/rules.cfm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Postby Dave-ROR » Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:39 am

Jamie wrote: Wait'll I get around to fixing the brakes on the Prelude...I fear no torqueless 'Tegs!
Well the Prelude needs the torque, it's got way too much extra weight to haul around with it ;)
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