Dec 17 Classic and FROC

[twistedwankel]

The car seems none the worse for it. Maybe we'll do it again next year?

Believe me I was disappointed not to be able to at least watch this event pan out!!

Those were some great pix of the abuse the Fastiva took and came back for more. Mike, that one pix of Philip pulling a front wheelie in 321 was great. Sorry about the shocks man. Makes you the 101st koni victim then? They DO honour their warrantee tho'. That's the good news. But now you know why I sold the new replacements and got Bilsteins also with a lifetime warrantee now that I'm over 65.

I had to look at those results for a bit to understand the scoring but now I get it. **Mark sort of proves to me that being able to tame an S2k at hyper speed means you can drive most anything!! Wow. I classified the S2k as the most dangerous stock car I've ever raced after trying two of them of different years with the newer being even worse than the elder...yikes. Snap oversteer keeps you with an egg under the fast pedal. Very obvious at the PCA event when Todd looped his at the finish slalom early on. Mark controlled his at the same place with his wicked fast reactions.

Loren and Steve really showed some skill!! One or the other actually finished first all 3 runs. Now that is impressive for two old guys sharing one borrowed red tap shoe.

[bluesight]

Thanks, Ben, for letting me drive BOTH your cars! Sorry to give you cause to pit the Miata against the Fastiva for your future driving considerations...

For me...stop hitting cones...drive faster...drive (way) smoother. Bad habits from the Bluesight...

B

[markzeronine]

I appreciate everyone's kind words. Having the opportunity to drive different cars this weekend was probably more fun than driving my own.

I also feel like I learned more on other cars Saturday than I have in my entire last year combined. Taking it just a little easier with other people's equipment (don't worry I'm not saying I went out and gave 5/10ths, more like 10/10 instead of my normal 11/10) it gave me a chance to look ahead and finesse the cars instead of just seeing red and attacking the course as it came to me like usually do. Hopefully I can keep that up moving forward.

Doug is right, the s2000 has been the most unforgiving car I have driven at the limit as well.

[jstocktpa]

Does Mike post his pictures somewhere specific? I love seeing all the cars in still frame action. I saw the resident photographer Phillipe was a little busy this weekend for snapshots.

[Native]

I didn't take many pictures but Mike did!

https://www.flickr.com/gp/133057342@N05/R92UW8

You missed the link on the prior page.

[Loren]

I'm disappointed that nobody got photos of my maiden voyage in the S10.

[twistedwankel]

I'm disappointed that nobody got photos of my maiden voyage in the S10.

They probably assumed you were just taking cones and extinguishers to the worker stations? Your times looked pretty good tho'!!

[Loren]

My first 3 runs were in the truck. I wasn't displeased. It was pretty much what I expected. Manageable understeer. Predictable as long as you stayed ahead of it. Already talking to Joe about tweaking the alignment.

The truck DID get a little hot, but my 3 runs were literally back-to back due to how we hustle the FROC drivers through their practice runs at the beginning of the run group.

The next 2 runs were in the Corolla, and the last 3 were the FASTiva.

[Dave-ROR]

I appreciate everyone's kind words. Having the opportunity to drive different cars this weekend was probably more fun than driving my own.

I also feel like I learned more on other cars Saturday than I have in my entire last year combined. Taking it just a little easier with other people's equipment (don't worry I'm not saying I went out and gave 5/10ths, more like 10/10 instead of my normal 11/10) it gave me a chance to look ahead and finesse the cars instead of just seeing red and attacking the course as it came to me like usually do. Hopefully I can keep that up moving forward.

Doug is right, the s2000 has been the most unforgiving car I have driven at the limit as well.

Throwing my S2000 around at an Autocross was the only time I ever truly enjoyed owning that car. I always set mine up to be a loose as possible. More fun that way.

Of course, I never really cared about actually winning.

[CaptainSquirts]

Best run for me 35.042
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_aq9q4WFXk

Steve driving my car best run 34.719 raw time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5D4Jmfy534

Steves turn around had more speed through it, I believe it def was what got him a nice lead over my run.

[Native]

Near as I can tell, on the way out, we both took a reasonable line, but I spent more time on the gas than you. If you listen to your video, as you approach the last gate before the crossover to the turnaround, at about 13 seconds you lift some and don't get back on the gas until about 15 seconds as you approach the green crossover gate, then very quickly you lift again into the turnaround. On my video, its sounds like I'm using more throttle, and perhaps more smoothly.
Possibly the same thing around 6 seconds on your video compared to the same spot on mine, but that one I'm not so sure about.

Yeah, your turn-round was slower.

On the return, your line and speed was much better than mine. I'm gonna blame my narrating for distracting me, from the turnaround and my very wide line around the first pointer, to all my terrible very late turns to taking out one of the big green finish line cones. Not sure where I hit the second one... no matter.

Anyone else have input? Trying to get Dan (and me) faster here...

[twistedwankel]

I appreciate everyone's kind words. Having the opportunity to drive different cars this weekend was probably more fun than driving my own.

I also feel like I learned more on other cars Saturday than I have in my entire last year combined. Taking it just a little easier with other people's equipment (don't worry I'm not saying I went out and gave 5/10ths, more like 10/10 instead of my normal 11/10) it gave me a chance to look ahead and finesse the cars instead of just seeing red and attacking the course as it came to me like usually do. Hopefully I can keep that up moving forward.

Doug is right, the s2000 has been the most unforgiving car I have driven at the limit as well.

Throwing my S2000 around at an Autocross was the only time I ever truly enjoyed owning that car. I always set mine up to be a loose as possible. More fun that way.

Of course, I never really cared about actually winning.

Dave is from Two-dill-e-do, Ohio. Toledo to mere Mortals. I am from there too BUT from the EAST side. Beware. We go to brawls and hockey games break out. Take no prisoners. Dave is still a cheap skate.

The Mayor

[Amphoteric88]

I'm a bit late, but what an event! My brother and I definitely enjoyed ourselves out there. Beautiful and fun course, I loved it! I got to play around with some lift off oversteer and at the turn coming out of the sweeper I was able to use it effectively to straighten out the car. However, the highlight of the day was watching Loren drive my Corolla in a way I wish I could. My best time of the day was a 41.8 and on his first outing Loren nabbed a 38.8! I was stunned! It was such a riot to see him go at it. I'm glad that you had a great time, Loren.

Now it's time to start practicing left-foot braking. From what I saw in my runs versus Loren's, that is one technique I need to master to better manage the weight transfer of the car and help get it around cones easier, instead of plowing forward.

Next time I'll leave my dad at home so I can stay longer

[Loren]

However, the highlight of the day was watching Loren drive my Corolla in a way I wish I could.

You can, it just takes time to learn. Catch me at a Classic event, we can talk.