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Re: Sept 6 Post Event Lakeland
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:28 am
by Dave-ROR
Jeremy wrote:TracAction wrote:continued to drive in a manner that is not acceptable.
When I had my last car, I did similar things all the time. I am sure a few people here could attest to that. No one ever said anything to me.
But, I get your point. This site is more visible than any other, and what occurred had the
perception of being dangerous, even though I don't really agree that it was.
edit: Actually the last time we were in Lakeland my last run was so wet that I decided to drift.
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Am I kicked out of the club for that?
I've seen many of us here drive like he was, I've drifted during autocross to destroy rear tires and have some fun, which last I checked is one of the words that make up FAST. Sure, he was a little more obvious than I've seen lately, and I have no issues with the red flag except that it should have happened (and was attempted but he was past the local station too quickly) before he got near the soccer field side of the course. I certainly do not think it warranted removal from all future FAST events. Instead of trying to get the guy to understand the organizers point and to learn and improve we instead ban him. I do not agree with that at all.
Hell I know that Derek, Jeremy, myself, Kenny, probably Charles off the top of my head could have been banned at one time or another for doing similar things.
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:42 am
by Dave-ROR
muddy wrote:
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I made the decision to cordially invite the kid to never return to our events. His behavior was unacceptable. Both Steve and Jamie agreed. Here is what I saw:
smokey burnout/donut in at the end of the slalom, followed immediately by a smokey drift. that changed that changed direction and slip angle several times, while heading directly towards the trucks and against the direction of the course. That was followed by another drift following the direction of the slalom, but not actually following the slalom. We then attempted to red flag the car, but he did two more smokey donuts before he saw the flags and exited the course.
The first person to be in his line of sight with a red flag he stopped for.
You told me you were going to stop the run before he drove in any direction at the trucks, and from what I saw he wasn't anywhere near hitting anything. The fact is he was just trying to have some fun, and I'm not going to argue that it should have been red flagged due to the soccer game and possibly the trucks, but a ban was over the top.
Also, isn't that a call Steve should have made? Not you? (the ban from future events thing, not the red flag, no more runs that day). Perhaps Steve did make that call, but the second thing you said to me after the post-slalom slide was that it would be his last event with us.
What he did was no worse than what a lot of us have done. I can understand the red flag but I'm wondering that if it were Derek, Jeremy, myself, etc have done it no one would have said a word.
As for the photos and such. A car sliding at an autocross. I'm not really sure that'll be too damaging really. Actually, I have photos of Charles sliding excessively in the same exact spot of pavement in April...
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:02 am
by Blacknot
I did have fun some fun yesterday and plan on doing alot of events this year. As far as the radios go. I own several and would be more then happy to bring a few out with me. I'm sure some other people have some also. This should fix the problem without the club having to spend more money
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:49 am
by Native
Donations are always gladly accepted, but, as I understand it, not all radios are compatible. We really need a full set that all work well together - a full set being at least 6, and better 8 (4 work stations, timing, start, grid, safety) and even better that plus a spare or two. We've tried mix-and-match in the past, and it hasn't worked as either one or two will receive but not transmit, or vice-versa, or something.
If you've got that many you want to give up, that'd be great, and very generous. If not, and you want to donate them anyway, ok - and thanks - we may be able to use them. But in that case we'll probably purchase what we need anyway (and we'll be ok).
Re: the drifting/banning discussion
Scott, Brian(s), Jeremy, Dan, Dave, etc. - it's all good discussion, and I'm learning stuff, as is everyone reading. If there's more to say, or others who have something to add, I'd like to hear (read) it.
[edit]and that includes the guy whose actions started our discussion...if he's out there
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:41 am
by nc4me
Results?
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:58 am
by 92MX-5
Pictures ?
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:13 pm
by Solar
I've been looking at good quailty 2 way radios this morning on the net. Motorola, Kenwood, Midland, etc etc, all seem to be about $100 each, they come with heavy duty rechargeable batteries, and most say they're shock proof, (the real good ones are over $200). Figuring the one's we have now were about $40 each and lasted a year or so, and good ones should last at least 4 plus years, I think it would be worth the investment.
Steve and Dave were thinking that we shouldn't leave the new radios in the trailer and I agree. It keeps them out of the heat and keeps them safer. A couple of the old radios that were bad had the batteries leak and I'm sure that was their demise.
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:31 pm
by Native
moved from a duplicate thread:
meicalnissyen wrote:My kind of course !
> My clutch does not like uphill powershifts to second
New Classing seems to be way cool, have not seen the official times, but the board showed the top four in 'J' class covered by about 5 tenths
I like the JM site, its close, way bigger than SPC, and for some reason I do better with crap surface (like Zephyrhills)
> we need to ensure we have unhindered access to sites we pay for.
>Maybe get the lakeland street sweeper to pay a visit
on the BAN, when I first ran an autocross, I was very pumped, and I was pushing way hard, totally lost it and creamed 3 or 4 cones at one shot. I was so embarassed I was gonna stop and help put them back up. I was afraid I was gonna be kicked off the site for reckless behavior.
Driving counter course on your last run simply shows you are a jackass that doesn;t give a shit about the group you are with. I am certain there are others out there with the same software that mask it better.
maybe give him an opportunity to work off his shame shaggin cones or whatnot
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:35 pm
by Native
Let's continue the radio discussion here:
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:40 pm
by Blacknot
I paid $80 for a set of 2 and they go 25 miles. Most radios all work together. You just need to be on the same frequency. We use them all the time on group drives. You dont need a high quality radio to transmit across a parking lot. What i meant is not donating radios is people bringing them if they own them to use for the day. Like we were short at lakeland. It's really sad if people are stealing radios and stuff like that when we are out to have fun togther. I will bring radois out next time. if you need them you are welcome to use them. Costco sells them sheap and so does bestbuy. Once again cheap radios work great. We are all very close to each other so you dont need a strong radio
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:51 pm
by Tim_M
Great event.
Slippery and a bit too tight for Corvettes, but that's ok...the variety makes it interesting.
6 runs was a good number-getting home on a Saturday by 1630 is appreciated by the spousal unit.
Concerning the aggressive driver being discussed, I was not witness to the entire event, but perception is everything when speaking of outsiders-I observed two police cars watching our moves as well as a field full of soccer players (and concerned parents-who seemed to be watching us more than the game!)...I'm not exempt from a spin on occasion nor from a bit of slide angle to make a run fast, but...
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:04 pm
by Native
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:39 pm
by Jack
great time!
i enjoyed doing tech,
can i do it at the next event in october?
if so yo can put down my name!
thanks to everyone for a fun dAY!
Re: Sept 6 Post Event Lakeland
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:20 pm
by Jamie
Jeremy wrote:When I had my last car, I did similar things all the time. I am sure a few people here could attest to that.
d rasp wrote:I had a few 'silly' runs yesterday, partially as a result of 10+ year old tires on my brothers car, but I have to own up to the fact that I stayed on it for the entire runs instead of backing off like I probably should have. It doesn't sit well with me that this person may have seen me, one of the experienced drivers, 'acting a fool' and felt like it was acceptable....
Dave-ROR wrote:Hell I know that Derek, Jeremy, myself, Kenny, probably Charles off the top of my head could have been banned at one time or another for doing similar things.
I don't ever recall seeing any of you going the wrong way up a course or bypassing gates. There's a large difference between being loose on the course and borrowing the space the course is set up on for a different game.
Brian's thinking ahead: our relationship with the City of Lakeland and the Hernando County airport are fragile, not because we've done anything wrong, but because the larger world that equates "sports" with something involving a ball also equates any activity driving cars quickly with NASCAR and huge flaming crashes. The logic of all our safety precautions and autocrossing's outstanding multi-decade safety record will wilt against few soccer parents at Lakeland or RV residents at Brooksville "concerned" about our events. I've seen sites lost for much less...it's much easier and less controversial for people to tell us "no".
On a happier note: registration for the 4 October event is open!
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:13 pm
by Native
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:54 pm
by Anonymous
24 F 79 Timothy Jay 48.759
Isn't that the guy in the Infiniti? Doesn't belong in class F.
Infiniti G35 Coupe F Stock
Infiniti G35 Sedan D Stock
I think it's a coupe, so it should go in class G.
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:15 pm
by LadyMaynie
If I drove 6 times, how come I only have 5 times?
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:25 pm
by Jamie
LadyMaynie wrote:If I drove 6 times, how come I only have 5 times?
The combination of 19 and 61 recorded 12 runs. If you recall, I came out after your fourth run and asked you both how many runs you had -- at that point, the scoring system showed Bob with 5 runs and you with 3. Since you both told me you'd done four, I concluded to you that you'd taken a run with his number on the car. After that, you both recorded two more times, so the system showed him with seven runs, and you with five. Based on the trend in times, I'll wager that the 53.009 recorded as his fifth run is actually your fourth, and he's missing one because the computer was set to keep only the first six runs. (Bob...you missing a time?) If that's right, that's a hazard of two-driver cars...if the number on the car isn't correct, the starter may or may not recognize the person under the helmet and call it in.
Kenny -- any way of checking my theory? There's also something wacky with several of the two-driver cars. I'm sure both the Harvey and Merideth cars did more runs than indicated...or did formatting drop something off the spreadsheet?
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:32 pm
by snookwheel
Sounds like it was another good event. Hated to miss it, but very glad to see that another Solo Vee has joined the ranks!!
Scott
Re: Sept 6 Post Event Lakeland
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:01 pm
by Dave-ROR
Jamie wrote:Jeremy wrote:When I had my last car, I did similar things all the time. I am sure a few people here could attest to that.
d rasp wrote:I had a few 'silly' runs yesterday, partially as a result of 10+ year old tires on my brothers car, but I have to own up to the fact that I stayed on it for the entire runs instead of backing off like I probably should have. It doesn't sit well with me that this person may have seen me, one of the experienced drivers, 'acting a fool' and felt like it was acceptable....
Dave-ROR wrote:Hell I know that Derek, Jeremy, myself, Kenny, probably Charles off the top of my head could have been banned at one time or another for doing similar things.
I don't ever recall seeing any of you going the wrong way up a course or bypassing gates. There's a large difference between being loose on the course and borrowing the space the course is set up on for a different game.
Brian's thinking ahead: our relationship with the City of Lakeland and the Hernando County airport are fragile, not because we've done anything wrong, but because the larger world that equates "sports" with something involving a ball also equates any activity driving cars quickly with NASCAR and huge flaming crashes. The logic of all our safety precautions and autocrossing's outstanding multi-decade safety record will wilt against few soccer parents at Lakeland or RV residents at Brooksville "concerned" about our events. I've seen sites lost for much less...it's much easier and less controversial for people to tell us "no".
On a happier note: registration for the 4 October event is open!
Again, I don't think anyone is contesting the red flag, just the ban. I actually didn't see him bypassing gates, and he only went the wrong way after spinning, after which he turned back towards the course. I watched all but a small part of it so I guess that all could have happened in the 3 seconds I missed.
The most dangerous incident of the weekend was the solo vee getting lost on course and heading back towards an earlier portion of the course.. with a car on it.
