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AScoda wrote:I don't know if I had a case of the sucks, or these RS-3's are a bigger drop off in grip than I thought. Maybe both. Hopefully they just need a good scrubbing in. At least they were cheap.

Nexens are cheap, and from my first impression they were as good as any of the many sets of RS3s Ive ran on.

Loren wrote: There is no spoon.

I think there is a spoon, and aluminum spoons slide less than steel...

Whilst I had a good day, Ron's car let me cheat - mine was ever so a bit less forgiving and this video is possibly my best overall line of the day. I'd appreciate feedback as to where the differences in Philip's 50 (or anyone of y'all's seven 50's!) is against my run?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7Jd3haJ6Vc

Solar wrote:

AScoda wrote:I don't know if I had a case of the sucks, or these RS-3's are a bigger drop off in grip than I thought. Maybe both. Hopefully they just need a good scrubbing in. At least they were cheap.

Nexens are cheap, and from my first impression they were as good as any of the many sets of RS3s Ive ran on.

I agree with this statement - I don't think there is much more grip with one exception - the RS3's need a run before they get going - the nexen's are ready to grip out of the gate much like my experience with the kumho v720's. I went from the 720's to RS3's in January and practically spun the car on a 70 degree day.

Loren wrote:

Native wrote:I'm pleased with my driving for a change. 22nd overall (used my rear tire to cone away my best time that would've put me in the top 20).

Three of the times ahead of you were afternoon fun runs. Congratulations on your top 20, sir!

Loren, you have a scorn for Fun Runs with these unpublished rules!
- That said, I''ll can just tick another box based off your account

Had a great time yesterday as always. Glad I ran the morning session to avoid the worst of the heat, it looks like it started to get the better of a few people in the afternoon, hope everyone is feeling better.

Having said that, it looks like I missed all the action with Philip's rejuvenated Miata raising the bar even higher in S4 in the afternoon session.
Great to catch up with everyone nice to see Brian back in action.

Dan

Carracer wrote: My wallet broke free and decided to make it rain for that run. I actually did hit the rev limiter in my car for the last run so I guess I did get a good exit for the straight.

Hilarious video

Last time at Brooksville we had raining men, this time raining money! As long as it keeps away the real rain that's fine with me

dan wrote:

Loren wrote:

Native wrote:I'm pleased with my driving for a change. 22nd overall (used my rear tire to cone away my best time that would've put me in the top 20).

Three of the times ahead of you were afternoon fun runs. Congratulations on your top 20, sir!

Loren, you have a scorn for Fun Runs with these unpublished rules!
- That said, I''ll can just tick another box based off your account

No, The Mayor has scorn for Fun Runs. I think they're great! But, apples-to-apples... Steve earned the right to claim a top-20 finish. Give him his moment of glory!

dan wrote:I'd appreciate feedback as to where the differences in Philip's 50 (or anyone of y'all's seven 50's!) is against my run?

You have variable rate steering...you ease the wheel over a bit, then decide you're serious and pull it around, rather than a clean turn. Of course, the car's moving all this time...I'm willing to bet that's what almost put you into the dirt near the finish on one run, and the sharper turns are scrubbing off speed.

dan wrote:I'd appreciate feedback as to where the differences in Philip's 50 (or anyone of y'all's seven 50's!) is against my run?

I agree with Jamie, you are scrubbing a lot of time with you front wheels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ttuVdisyYE

I didn't get these synced up perfect I think your biggest loss was in the box turn ( too fast in ). Also in slalom before the "gates of speed" I think you could have taken a tighter line and carried more speed on exit. Also you could have been more aggressive at the finish. I find for that type of corner ( decreasing radius ) going in just a little too fast is worth a lot more time than going in just a little to slow, Normally it's the exact opposite.

dan wrote:Whilst I had a good day, Ron's car let me cheat - mine was ever so a bit less forgiving and this video is possibly my best overall line of the day. I'd appreciate feedback as to where the differences in Philip's 50 (or anyone of y'all's seven 50's!) is against my run?

I'd give you feedback, but I only ran a 51.4.

Oh, alright.

Great run, really. Pretty solid on the way out. I had to skip back to catch the 2nd gear downshift, missed it the first time. Nice. I think you could have taken the turnaround a touch faster. There's probably 2-3 tenths or more there. Your setup for the box turn was just a little lacking. You did set up, just not quite enough, and where it hits you is in trying to get far enough left on the exit to clear that cone. Better setup (more to the left), and better flow through there would have gotten you onto the gas earlier... long straight... easily 5 tenths.

So, there ya go. A solid 50.9 was yours with just a couple of minor corrections. Now, if you can work on smoothness (what Jamie said) and consistency and all that... maybe multiply .05 times the number of apexes on the course... I counted at least 24 in your video... there's another 1.2 seconds you could pull out for "the perfect run". Which, honestly, sounds about right. Put somebody like Elliot Harvey in your car and they could run a 49.7 in it. Possibly better than that.

Watching your video again, it's subtle, but on the way out, you probably could have been on the gas more in a couple places. But, it's the ol' "position vs speed" thing. Until you get REALLY good at being in the proper POSITION, you can't add the speed. Which is part of one of the simplest and best bits of autocross wisdom I've ever plagiarized: http://drivefast.org/wp/Misc/AutoxTips.pdf

Also, if you haven't read this in a while... viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1630

You're in good shape, Dan. Ron's gonna have his hands full trying to keep up with you as you progress.

twistedwankel wrote:
Tony that car sounds awesome and you are getting really fast in it. Glad I left S0!! 51 flat is really fast. You beat me by almost 3 seconds. Damn.

Thanks Doug! It's a really fun car to drive, and fortunately fast enough to cover up for my driving!

What a great course! And I'm glad we didn't get snowed in by a blizzard.

I've got a decent baseline for my car now. Biggest takeaway is that the OEM tires are seemingly teflon coated. I also need to get Philip into my car for an instructor run. He's a monster...

Good to see everyone. Sorry that Joe wasn't feeling well.

Carracer wrote:Yep, it was just too hot out.

I loved the course, it was a nice mix of elements to really test my new shocks out. Once I realized that I can't drive the car like I did before I loved them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk89mjqnkEQ

This was my last and best run of the day ( 50.372 - clean ), My wallet broke free and decided to make it rain for that run. I actually did hit the rev limiter in my car for the last run so I guess I did get a good exit for the straight.

Watching this again... You did a way better job of maintaining speed on the way out than I did and linked all those elements together in a way that I just didn't. The finish side looked pretty similar, but the front was better. Nicely done. Your style reminds me of Albert Popalis or Danny Shields. Looks slow and smooth but ends up being fast...

I need to have "look ahead" tattooed on the backs of my thumbs......

Philip looks slow and smooth?!?! I didn't get to see him last weekend but when I do I see "fast and on the limit of there's no way he's not going around" and when he doesn't go around it looks like "yeah but it can't be too incredible of a time because steady and smooth is how it needs to be done right?", and I'm wrong. Very wrong when it comes to Philip. He's something else and its awesome to watch. I'll have to see the video later, maybe with shocks it doesn't seem as insane anymore.

BigBlue wrote: Les. In the grand scheme of things, who knew .02 seconds (about 9") could be so important? Oh well.

It all depends on what you are measuring I suppose, but 9" can be extremely important in many cases. ;-)

If you look at the raw times they increment in small gaps until you get to Devon. He pulled a healthy 1.390s on everyone. Does that car have a camera on it? I want to see that run.

Also, pictured are still being sorted, they will be coming as soon as I can get them done.

Gerry wrote:What a great course! And I'm glad we didn't get snowed in by a blizzard.

I've got a decent baseline for my car now. Biggest takeaway is that the OEM tires are seemingly teflon coated. I also need to get Philip into my car for an instructor run. He's a monster...

Any time!

Carracer wrote:If you look at the raw times they increment in small gaps until you get to Devon. He pulled a healthy 1.390s on everyone. Does that car have a camera on it? I want to see that run.

Now don't laugh. I rarely read the rules in their entirety as I don't do anything to my cars BUT I was semi-seriously thinking about getting some 60-100 R tires for my Vette since I live so close to the airport and running in the R class for fun until they died. I NEVER read the last paragraph on the Safety page. OoPs. Topless car's must have a roll bar if they run R rubber. No point in racing a vert anywhere!! Boy would I be pissed if I paid $1300 for tires and couldn't run them on my car ANYWHERE without a $1600 bolt-in roll bar/cage that would probably destroy my nice interior and look like crap with the top down. Glad I read the rules first in their entirety thanks to the Mod thread.

"Dear Philip, back in the day fresh Hoosier's were worth about 3-4 seconds on an average big course." I could never afford separate mounted dry and rain Hoosiers like the other top guys as I drove to events on my ONLY R tires from BFG and Kumho. You're not raining enough money for them yet and the tow vehicle with trailer. Ask Devon and his Dad if you can have one slow test drive please at a FN time.

twistedwankel wrote: Topless car's must have a roll bar if they run R rubber.

If they run non-DOT race slicks. R-compound tires with the DOT stamp of approval are OK.

Jamie wrote:

twistedwankel wrote: Topless car's must have a roll bar if they run R rubber.

If they run non-DOT race slicks. R-compound tires with the DOT stamp of approval are OK.

Oh. Well that's definitely worth knowing. Thanks.