Jan 13 at SPC

[Native]

Rob, sent you an email on the pricing thing. And yeah, we'll handle that end.



another classing correction:

Justin Welty, GTI, is in D, not E. I'll fix it eventually, but keep it in mind as you enjoy the results pages.

[kickslop]

Argh.

So much for my "74 D" I just bought and the "85 E" I ordered and delivered to a newcomer.

[Loren]

At least your numbers are still good. We've never required class marking, anyway.

Still, this is just an idea. If people would rather stick with the cryptic A-G classing, so be it.

[rippin mazda]

If marking the class on the car isn't required, than does it really matter what you call the class?

Ryan

[Loren]

Not true. We need to put the class on the registration sheet, and there seemed to be a major problem with people remembering what letter went with what class Saturday. If you can look at the car and classify it: "modified, street tires, over 3L"... it sure would be easy to equate that to the class designation: MS3.

Again, it was just a thought.

[muddy]

Thanks to an awesome weekend, this is my first opportunity to check in. I really enjoyed Kenny's course. It was well designed. Other than having to move the finish, Jamie and I did very little tweaking to the course. There was some confusion on what clearance was required, so we had to move the finish twice. I think it would be great to have some documentation available for the safety chief regarding insurance requirements.

Allan Gross really kept the drivers hussling in the grid and did a good job keeping the drivers organized in the last heat.

[Dave-ROR]

Not true. We need to put the class on the registration sheet, and there seemed to be a major problem with people remembering what letter went with what class Saturday. If you can look at the car and classify it: "modified, street tires, over 3L"... it sure would be easy to equate that to the class designation: MS3.

Again, it was just a thought.

I agree with what Loren has been saying about the classes. The letter designations are confusing.

One question, should Novices be marked differently on the results or put into a different class so they can compare themselves against other novices?

[Alizarin]

Sheesh... I didn't even get top 10 overall Scooby domination in class D though!


Oh, and the class markers in the results still say "NASA-X." And if you all want a resized logo without the laggies, let me know!

[Native]

The letter designations are confusing

it was just a thought

I agree, and it was a good thought.

That's why I asked Jamie, who is the Classing Guru this year, to make an official call for changing it. If it's good with him, it's a done deal.

All those forced induction drivers will just have to learn the x1.5 deal on displacement.

[Native]

One question, should Novices be marked differently on the results or put into a different class so they can compare themselves against other novices

This was discussed previously. We decided that while it would be important to know who the novices are at the event, mixing them in to the results was fine. Listing them as a separate class so they can compare themselves to each other is not a fair comparison as their cars may be classed differently - the times won't tell the whole story. And we figured novices are going to want to see how they would fare within their appropriate class against experienced drivers, which should be their benchmark anyway. How else you gonna know if you are getting better, beat another novice in a differently-classed car, or watch yourself move up in the ranks of experienced drivers in more equal cars? 8)

[WAFlowers]

And a big thanks to Bill Flowers, who once again towed the trailer in and out even though he wasn't running.

You're welcome. The night before I was debating whether or not to run. Then I started counting back to see how many weeks it had been since I had had a weekend when I could kick back and putter around the house getting some much needed chores done. Plus I hadn't been feeling all that well this past week, so I decided that with the number of people registered having one less mightn't be a bad thing.

However I'm planning to entertain y'all with my cone killing antics next month!

This is assuming that I'm still living in Florida then. :shock:

[Dave-ROR]

One question, should Novices be marked differently on the results or put into a different class so they can compare themselves against other novices

This was discussed previously. We decided that while it would be important to know who the novices are at the event, mixing them in to the results was fine. Listing them as a separate class so they can compare themselves to each other is not a fair comparison as their cars may be classed differently - the times won't tell the whole story. And we figured novices are going to want to see how they would fare within their appropriate class against experienced drivers, which should be their benchmark anyway. How else you gonna know if you are getting better, beat another novice in a differently-classed car, or watch yourself move up in the ranks of experienced drivers in more equal cars? 8)

Makes sense, but how about just adding a (N) to their name to denote them as a Novice so they can compare themselves if they want to? Some of them were in the same class anyways, at least four of them in class D.

Oh well, I'll just keep burning the rear tires off so I can put some real tires on my OEM wheels for autocrossing

[Dave-ROR]

All those forced induction drivers will just have to learn the x1.5 deal on displacement.

This was probably made clear before, but what is the rule on rotaries? displacement x 2 or displacement x 2 x # of rotors?

Depending on that, 12A and 13B would either be <3L or >3L, 13BT/13BREW/20B would always be >3L with either of the above.

Thanks.

[WAFlowers]

Would it be too far-fetched to change the names of our classes from A-G that nobody can remember... to some acronyms that actually make sense?

Brilliant!

Except that I'm MS which makes me think of the software giant -- an entity I loathe with a passion!

But, I can live with it.

[Loren]

Sheesh... I didn't even get top 10 overall Scooby domination in class D though!


Oh, and the class markers in the results still say "NASA-X." And if you all want a resized logo without the laggies, let me know!

I'll fix the NASA-X bit. Didn't even notice it.

Logo is the same logo from the website. I guess it could stand to have more dpi.

[Native]

This was probably made clear before, but what is the rule on rotaries? displacement x 2 or displacement x 2 x # of rotors?

Depending on that, 12A and 13B would either be <3L or >3L, 13BT/13BREW/20B would always be >3L with either of the above.

Rotaries:
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[Loren]

Does that mean that it was decided that for now we don't need to worry about rotary displacement calculation? It is what it is?

Whatever the decision is (if it's other than that), we need to get into the rules.

[Dave-ROR]

Does that mean that it was decided that for now we don't need to worry about rotary displacement calculation? It is what it is?

Whatever the decision is (if it's other than that), we need to get into the rules.

Exactly. That thread wasn't clear and there was no final ruling. Classing rules need to be finalized or you can't expect people to put themselves in the correct group...

[Pilgrim]

Had a great time as usual with you guys. Top notch run event. Of course running 9th in time over all at bad.

BTW this little sticker that I received at the event is for what?

[jwelty@VWFixx]

Had an awesome time out at my first ever autocross event! will definately be spreading the word trying to bring more VW/Audi guys out to the events.