FALL came two days late for some Sept 23 racers

yamaha731 · Postby **yamaha731** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:06 pm

I did the bump stops in the front and wow what a difference car felt so much better but I still got beat pretty good. I guess I need to start playing with the camber.
https://youtu.be/u92bT05qk6U

Evil MS3 · Postby **Evil MS3** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:13 pm

So what was the consensus on the slalom entry? It seemed like from watching the first run group in the morning that most preferred the faster left side entry vs the right side entry with a faster exit.

I'm pretty sure I stayed right every time.

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Postby **Loren** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:23 pm

I never tried it to the left, but I think it was almost a true "option". Entering on the right was possible (at least for most people) without lifting, and gave a benefit (in my opinion) on the exit. But, entering on the left wasn't necessarily a "painful" exit, it was just a continuation of the slalom. I think it could be done either way, but my preference was to enter on the right.

aw614 · Postby **aw614** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:23 pm

I need more practice setting up for slaloms like those, they've always given me trouble as I drop too much speed.

But I tried left and didn't like how it set me up at the end, so I went with right, which I didn't notice to much drop off in entry speed, but found it much easier to maintain my speed with that faster exit.

Need to check my video. I tried to setup gps logging via track addict, and the app wasn't letting me set it up on an old phone without an update (phone had no internet).

mymomswagon · Postby **mymomswagon** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:24 pm

I would bet you could swap in an Evo independent rear suspension.

okay, maybe not

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Steve did well, almost caught Loren. He was close enough on 2nd or 3rd run. Soroya was right there too.

He rode with me on my runs as I seem to be forgetting things lately (almost on Medicare ya know) and thought another set of eyes and critique would be good By run 4, advice was: "Okay. Stop hitting cones. Now."

Loren wrote:Rear alignment, you say? I'm pretty sure mine is massively toed in, and non-adjustable.

Maybe I should look into modding something to fix that?

Evil MS3 · Postby **Evil MS3** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:26 pm

Loren wrote:I never tried it to the left, but I think it was almost a true "option". Entering on the right was possible (at least for most people) without lifting, and gave a benefit (in my opinion) on the exit. But, entering on the left wasn't necessarily a "painful" exit, it was just a continuation of the slalom. I think it could be done either way, but my preference was to enter on the right.

I noticed the same regarding the left entry/exit but liked the look of the cleaner right side exit. I don't recall having an issue getting proper entry either but it looked like, depending on speed and the car, it proved to be more of a task than the left side.

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Postby **Native** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:33 pm

mymomswagon wrote: "Okay. Stop hitting cones. Now."

lol. I can be full of helpful advice...

Postby **Native** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:35 pm

Native wrote:
mymomswagon wrote: "Okay. Stop hitting cones. Now."
lol. I can be full of helpful advice...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEHZJNQ5Y4A

markzeronine · Postby **markzeronine** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:45 pm

I believe I entered left all times but it was noted that I may have accidentally entered on the right for my final run..

Entering left was beneficial for me because it allowed me to use all of third gear and really pick up some speed. As Loren noted, if your car is slow enough that you didn't have to lift (let alone brake) to get to the right, then it'll make almost no difference as far as entrance speed and allow you to have a cleaner exit.

Cliff notes: fast cars enter left, slow cars enter right would be my recommendation if we see the course again

Evil MS3 · Postby **Evil MS3** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:48 pm

markzeronine wrote:I believe I entered left all times but it was noted that I may have accidentally entered on the right for my final run..

Entering left was beneficial for me because it allowed me to use all of third gear and really pick up some speed. As Loren noted, if your car is slow enough that you didn't have to lift (let alone brake) to get to the right, then it'll make almost no difference as far as entrance speed and allow you to have a cleaner exit.

Cliff notes: fast cars enter left, slow cars enter right would be my recommendation if we see the course again

Hey! You calling me slow? I resemble that remark!

But I agree, if you were able to carry a ton of speed leading up to the entrance, taking the right side would have made you shave off a lot of speed. If I would have been in the Speed3, I would have gone left every time.

Postby **Loren** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:51 pm

Oh, but if we run this course again, you can bet that slalom will never be exactly the same. Either just by chance variances in placement at setup... or more likely because we're evil and like to keep you guessing.

One of the biggest reasons we moved the exit gate on that slalom 2 feet to the left (which opened up the whole notion of "entering on the right") was that several people commented immediately after the course map was posted that they were going to take the slalom to the left! We like to mess with those people. Walk the course! Look at the actual placement. Make your critical decisions based on the actual COURSE, not on the map! Remember, the cones on the map are about 4' diameter... that allows for a lot of flexibility in exact placement on final setup.

mymomswagon · Postby **mymomswagon** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:53 pm

Native wrote:
Native wrote:
mymomswagon wrote: "Okay. Stop hitting cones. Now."
lol. I can be full of helpful advice...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEHZJNQ5Y4A

that captures it perfectly. Keeper

nathanwilliams617 · Postby **nathanwilliams617** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:07 pm

Aye yai yai M2!

Anyway, I tried the slalom both ways, but I think my car liked the left slalom entry best, stretching out that straight, the exit was fine that way too.

Ben, thanks again for your help buddy. I found a whole second, oui! I needed to find like 3 more lol. It's a start.

Good times, I'm ready for the next event!

jbrannon7 · Postby **jbrannon7** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:05 pm

Hmmm, I thought for sure I went left at least once but upon reviewing my vids I went right every time.

twistedwankel · Postby **twistedwankel** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:43 pm

Loren wrote: several people commented immediately after the course map was posted that they were going to take the slalom to the left!

Based on the drawing I originally thought I'd go left the first time at least. After one walk I changed my mind. Oh, that and watching the next to last slalom cone get punted by a dozen faster drivers over driving the finish. A few consistently got away with it. Not many. If we did a grand total of times with cones/DNF's I might have finished in the top 10 of PAX

Oh did anyone notice: "Grandma, what big brakes you have." All around on the (good looks aren't everything) Jag. Late braking the next day?

twistedwankel · Postby **twistedwankel** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:53 pm

yamaha731 wrote:I did the bump stops in the front and wow what a difference car felt so much better but I still got beat pretty good. I guess I need to start playing with the camber.
https://youtu.be/u92bT05qk6U

Good run Chris. Looks like your frame is flexing as the door gap changes at each steering input. You get your hot starting issue solved?

Jamie · Postby **Jamie** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:07 pm

Evil MS3 wrote:So what was the consensus on the slalom entry? It seemed like from watching the first run group in the morning that most preferred the faster left side entry vs the right side entry with a faster exit.

Twice left, three times right. Fastest going in on the right, but decisively uncertain whether I could have bettered it going in the other way....

BigBlue · Postby **BigBlue** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:34 pm

I went right every time. After my second run, it was a no-lift, no-brake entry. It was tight for sure and I had to mentally block the self-preservation side of the brain a bit to keep my foot in it that hard, but the reward on the exit seemed well worth it to me. Who knows, maybe if I had tried left I could have been a smidge closer to Mark.

Jamie · Postby **Jamie** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:44 pm

BigBlue wrote:I had to mentally block the self-preservation side of the brain....

Damn...you learn something new about Ron every week....

markzeronine · Postby **markzeronine** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:54 pm

BigBlue wrote: Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:34 pm I went right every time. After my second run, it was a no-lift, no-brake entry. It was tight for sure and I had to mentally block the self-preservation side of the brain a bit to keep my foot in it that hard, but the reward on the exit seemed well worth it to me. Who knows, maybe if I had tried left I could have been a smidge closer to Mark.

A no brake no lift to the right? Sheesh, if I would have had the nerve to try that I may have been in the 35s.. likely would have just found a way to cone away my run

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