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AScoda wrote:

Jeremy wrote:You might want to rethink your strategy now that you are in my class.
Unless you've already resigned yourself to 2nd place for the year after one event. :0

With Tim and Jessie and I don't even know who else also in this class, I may be just along for the ride.
I have enough T-shirts anyway.

No one has enough T Shirts. Even in FL. Tim and Jessie AWD are like Tech geeks with boost. Maybe we can have a 10 speed bike race with Les and Drew?

Then a Grey8 contest? Jeremy, Drew and Les (and Greg - but I don't know how to fix that) are the remaining unknowns in the Grey8 to me? I know what I got but no one knows what they "got". Who's up for a Grey8 showdown with a $20 buy in? We'll do this at a future Classic Event.....Woohoo. So far I'm the 4th fastest guy in my own car....twice. But I'm learnin'.

twistedwankel wrote: Then a Grey8 contest? Jeremy, Drew and Les (and Greg)

You need to add some roll resistance first. I was getting seasick watching your car go through the "wiggles" Saturday.

Jeremy wrote:

twistedwankel wrote: Then a Grey8 contest? Jeremy, Drew and Les (and Greg)

You need to add some roll resistance first. I was getting seasick watching your car go through the "wiggles" Saturday.

Oh observant one.
I was running 1.5 only on the Koni's with rebound ONLY:) Still finished turd.

Like that you are watching:) So you pick the settings. Cool. Full hard is something I have never done outside the rack.

I can still learn!

twistedwankel wrote: Oh observant one.

I was also timing everyone through the kink.
Most people were close to 7 seconds. Loren was around 6. The Camaro was in the 5's. Grunt.

Really? I didn't feel like I got that right at all. (I guess if I was in a Miata and got smoked by a Camaro by a second, I wasn't doing it right)

I did find it a very fun element to drive. Not the kink itself so much as "hanging on" for the part immediately after. "Stick, damn you, stick!"

Jeremy wrote:

twistedwankel wrote: Oh observant one.

I was also timing everyone through the kink.
Most people were close to 7 seconds. Loren was around 6. The Camaro was in the 5's. Grunt.

I can find a big front bar and other stiffies. Everything I think of involves See Alice. Damn.

Loren wrote: "Stick, damn you, stick!"

Kept thinking that each time i went through it! Great part of the track, not sure how fast i was going, but it sure was fun!

don't feel bad chris.
<<<< i was slowest time of the day

Oxide wrote:don't feel bad chris.
<<<< i was slowest time of the day

For that issue, I would go here...
http://stalkercars.com/

It worked for Scott.

And for Mary too! I believe she has delivered quite a few paddling to you as well!

AScoda wrote: With Tim and Jessie and I don't even know who else also in this class, I may be just along for the ride.
I have enough T-shirts anyway.

I hear ya, if I ever get my car running again. I just need a C5 vert.
https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/4637282027.html

Now that we've lost SPC, it's going to be tough to run down Jeremy in M1 in that 240sx (which in my honest opinion is a M0 car...it's a motor swap, not a power adder). Tim and I definitely have an advantage on the slicker surfaces at SPC / TBD. But less weight & more tire should always prevail at Brooksville. AWD is not that big of an advantage at Brooksville because the surface is grippy enough to negate most of the AWD advantage.

jesup16 wrote:Jeremy in M1 in that 240sx (which in my honest opinion is a M0 car...it's a motor swap, not a power adder).

So you are suggesting a 3 class bump? Since the 240 starts in M3....

Yes. In SCCA, that would move that car all the way to SM. Not just up a class in Street Touring or Street Prepared.

I guess it's a loophole in the FAST rules and classing

jesup16 wrote:Yes. In SCCA, that would move that car all the way to SM. Not just up a class in Street Touring or Street Prepared.

I guess it's a loophole in the FAST rules and classing

Yes, you are talking about a complete rewrite of the rules. The 240's engine swap is irrelevant, cause the car would be WAYYYYY faster with the stock engine. I think all the national champion level cars are running the stock engine. So you are just saying that the power adder rule is not fair. In your opinion, any power adder would bump to M0, since you would also have to deal with turbo miatas and s2000's which should be faster than a 240.

Motor swaps usually move you to the same class the motor the car came in, since the sr20(that's what it has right ?) never came in the s13 in America then techicnaly it should go to m0

Edit nvm just re read fast rules, m2 it is.

Jeremy, I'm not here to debate a turbo'd KA vs SR20DET vs whatever.

I personally think the power adder rule is a joke. How do we know how much each power adder is actually adding. Is it 50 hp, 150 hp, etc. Nobody is bringing a dyno sheet to tech spec inspection.

Again, a power adder / Motor swap in SCCA takes you way out of class, usually straight to SM, which would be M0...it should be the same for FAST, since SCCA is the basis of the rules.

jesup16 wrote: I personally think the power adder rule is a joke.

I haven't really thought about it recently, but I agree, power adders should probably be an automatic 2 class bump, or even as you suggest, straight to m0.

Now how do we police people with factory turbo cars from cranking the boost to the moon? Now factory turbo cars have the advantage instead of aftermarket turbo cars.

Jesse, we aren't SCCA. We don't have or want SCCA's restrictive ruleset. We KNOW that our rules can be abused. We also know that 95% of the people who autocross with us do so for fun, and aren't out to fully exploit a ruleset, so we're okay with it. People just want to have fun with the car that they happen to own... which is quite often already modded.

And, to be clear, SCCA is not, never was, and never will be the basis for FAST preparation rules. It is merely the basis for our class lists. It's a convenient starting point for classifying a car.

The 240 in question was discussed years ago when we first came up with the current ruleset, and the car was first being campaigned. It started out as an M3 car back then, and still is in M3. We decided that the engine swap itself was insignificant. Without the turbo, it does not provide a significant increase in power for us to be concerned about. The turbo is what bumps the car from M3 to M2. M2 has no restrictions on differential or any of the other mods that are done to the car. It's fine there. And if Jeremy chooses to run it in M1, that's fine, too.

Again... we're not SCCA. We're channeling almost all of what SCCA would class in 7 different Street Prepared classes, plus all of the Street Touring classes, and a lot of potential Street Mod cars (as well as cars that they would probably shuffle into Prepared or Modified classes due to some mod or another that's restricted) into THREE classes. It's not a perfect system. It can't possibly be fair to every driver in every car. But, it works. And it has worked for a lot of years.

By the way, how many years have you spent modifying, preparing, developing and learning the intricacies of your Subaru to know that you can't get any more out of it? Jeremy and Charles have been competing in and developing that 240 for 4-5 years.