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PrestonJ wrote:Any talk about starting a pro class based on SCCA classing and the PAX system? Works well for a lot of other clubs, can potentially limit any rule change at all, those who actually compete outside of FAST can simply run in pro and be rack and stacked against each other. Not sure what timing software you use though, pretty easy to do with AXware.

Loren wrote:

PrestonJ wrote:Any talk about starting a pro class based on SCCA classing and the PAX system? Works well for a lot of other clubs, can potentially limit any rule change at all, those who actually compete outside of FAST can simply run in pro and be rack and stacked against each other. Not sure what timing software you use though, pretty easy to do with AXware.

PAX doesn't work for FAST because our prep rules are less restrictive than what the indexes are based on. It really only works well when all of the drivers are in "class capable cars" that are fully prepared to the limit of the rules. None of that really fits the typical FAST demographic. A lot of our fastest drivers (who might have interest in a "pro" class) drive cars that would be complete bastard-children under SCCA classing, and thus would be screwed in PAX.

Mike Lawson recently started competing with us. And yourself. You guys are the exception rather than the rule. Percentage-wise... maybe 5% of our regulars care about being SCCA class legal or competitive in that environment. And most of those guys are happy competing in our existing classes.

I could be wrong, but that's my take. To answer your specific question, no, there's been no such talk.

Loren wrote:

PrestonJ wrote:Any talk about starting a pro class based on SCCA classing and the PAX system? Works well for a lot of other clubs, can potentially limit any rule change at all, those who actually compete outside of FAST can simply run in pro and be rack and stacked against each other. Not sure what timing software you use though, pretty easy to do with AXware.

PAX doesn't work for FAST because our prep rules are less restrictive than what the indexes are based on. It really only works well when all of the drivers are in "class capable cars" that are fully prepared to the limit of the rules. None of that really fits the typical FAST demographic. A lot of our fastest drivers (who might have interest in a "pro" class) drive cars that would be complete bastard-children under SCCA classing, and thus would be screwed in PAX.

Mike Lawson recently started competing with us. And yourself. You guys are the exception rather than the rule. Percentage-wise... maybe 5% of our regulars care about being SCCA class legal or competitive in that environment. And most of those guys are happy competing in our existing classes.

I could be wrong, but that's my take. To answer your specific question, no, there's been no such talk.

Loren wrote:Overal Stock Tire Width Limit...

I was just thinking about this, and for cars with WIDE tires, 20mm isn't such a huge change. Someone with 245's, for instance, might go to 275's without issue. Someone with 275's might go to 305.

What if, instead of a hard +20mm, we did something like a 10% allowance. Stock +10% and round up (no more than 6mm) or down a standard size.

So, for 195, that would be 204.5 rounds to 205.
205 > 225.5 rounds to 225
215 > 236.5 rounds to 235
225 > 247.5 rounds to 245
235 > 258.5 rounds to 255
245 > 269.5 rounds to up (within 6mm) to 275
275 > 302.5 rounds to 305

Or, we could simplify and accomplish the same by saying +20mm if tire size is less than 245. 245 and over gets +30mm.

Loren wrote:BTW, this poll ends next week. Nothing is decided yet. We'll figure things out after the poll ends using the poll data and feedback from this thread and elsewhere. Should have things formalized by mid-May.

"Street Tires?
Made it past all the “stock” qualifiers? Good, now let’s look at your tires. This is simple. If they are DOT approved and their treadwear rating is 140 or greater (check the sidewalls), we consider them street tires. (NOTE: A handful of cars come from the factory with tires that do not meet this qualification. It’s a big deal to us! If your tires have less than 140 treadwear, sorry, you can’t compete in a street tire class.)"

mdw1000 wrote:Probably a stupid question, but why is SCCA dropping the Toyobaru to a lower class? I thought they were supposed to be great autocross cars?