June 2011 Event

Discuss past FAST events. How did it go?
Loren Williams
Forum Admin
Drives: A Mirage
User avatar
Location:
Safety Harbor
Joined: December 2006
Posts: 13044
First Name: Loren
Last Name: Williams
Favorite Car: A Mirage
Location: Safety Harbor

Re: June 2011 Event

Postby Loren » Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:02 pm

Native wrote:Fresh Season Points get 'em while they're hot!
Wow, looks like most of the first place champions are decided, but there are a bunch of 2nd place positions up for grabs still with some potential surprises at the last event depending on who shows up in which class and how well they do. How exciting!
Loren Williams - Loren @ Invisiblesun.org
The "Push Harder, Suck Less" philosophy explained:
Push Harder - Drive as close to the limit of your tires as possible.
Suck Less - Drive something resembling a proper racing line.
Steve --
Forum Admin
Drives: whatever I can get my hands on
User avatar
Location:
St. Pete
Joined: November 2006
Posts: 5122
First Name: Steve
Last Name: --
Favorite Car: whatever I can get my hands on
Location: St. Pete

Re: June 2011 Event

Postby Native » Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:09 pm

Regarding courseworkers and their locations and any other safety issues - any time anyone sees a potentially unsafe situation, please feel free to say something to the Safety Marshal, or event chair, or me, or the guys in the trailer, or really anyone with a radio so something can be done about it at the time it's going on.
Steven Frank
Class M3 Miata
Proud disciple of the "Push Harder, Suck Less" School of Autocross
______________
I'll get to it. Eventually...
Loren Williams
Forum Admin
Drives: A Mirage
User avatar
Location:
Safety Harbor
Joined: December 2006
Posts: 13044
First Name: Loren
Last Name: Williams
Favorite Car: A Mirage
Location: Safety Harbor

Re: June 2011 Event

Postby Loren » Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:16 pm

Native wrote:Regarding courseworkers and their locations and any other safety issues - any time anyone sees a potentially unsafe situation, please feel free to say something to the Safety Marshal, or event chair, or me, or the guys in the trailer, or really anyone with a radio so something can be done about it at the time it's going on.
I'll second that! Kinda silly to bring it up AFTER the event. If something is wrong, let us know and we'll fix it.

Worker stations are one of those things that we can take our best educated guess as to where they need to be and where will be "safe" (pro tip: there are no "safe" places out there, course working is inherently dangerous). But, when it comes down to it, only the workers and drivers can see whether or not we guessed right. So, if you, as a driver, find a worker station to be unnecessarily in your path or otherwise distracting, TELL US. And if you, as a worker, feel like you're in a particularly vulnerable position, MOVE.

Okay, the horse is dead now. 8-)
Loren Williams - Loren @ Invisiblesun.org
The "Push Harder, Suck Less" philosophy explained:
Push Harder - Drive as close to the limit of your tires as possible.
Suck Less - Drive something resembling a proper racing line.
bill beers
Known
Drives: 95 miata
Joined: March 2011
Posts: 72
First Name: bill
Last Name: beers
Favorite Car: 95 miata

Re: June 2011 Event

Postby wbeers690 » Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:43 pm

i feel so helpless being 8 points behind and knowing that austin will show up at spc and all he has to do is complete a lap to win.. i guess ill just try to look cool getting second :)
95' white miata m2 now .. M1 once the blower and new motor make it in the car
Bill Beers (the miata with the beach umbrella over it)
-- --
Notorious
Drives: Faster than you.
User avatar
Location:
↑↑↑
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 817
First Name: --
Last Name: --
Favorite Car: Faster than you.
Location: ↑↑↑

Re: June 2011 Event

Postby Jeremy » Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:47 pm

wbeers690 wrote:i feel so helpless being 8 points behind and knowing that austin will show up at spc and all he has to do is complete a lap to win.. i guess ill just try to look cool getting second :)
It's hard to drive with a broken foot. Just putting that out there.
Loren Williams
Forum Admin
Drives: A Mirage
User avatar
Location:
Safety Harbor
Joined: December 2006
Posts: 13044
First Name: Loren
Last Name: Williams
Favorite Car: A Mirage
Location: Safety Harbor

Re: June 2011 Event

Postby Loren » Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:47 pm

About those pesky Elises...

Okay, really, we love Elises. They're like Miatas, only way cooler and mo' betta.

But, someone pointed out that one of our Elises was misclassed at this event due to wearing "race tires" in a "stock" class. The problem is that Elises come from the factory with tires that have a treadwear rating as low as 60... in other words, a "race tire". Now, we all know that anything with less than 140 treadwear is not considered a street tire under our rules. But, we can't expect the new guy in the Lotus to know that. So, we (all of us) need to remember to check what class the new guys Elises are registered in, verify their tires, and discuss this with them if necessary.

Unfortunately, even though the car is completely "stock", having better tires than anyone else in class is allowed to have gives them an unfair advantage (as if driving an Elise wasn't enough of an advantage!). We've always chosen to go with "rules are rules" and "race tires are race tires" when this situation comes up.

So, sorry Lotus guys, but if you want to run in our "stock" class, you'll need to put real "street tires" on your car. You may find that some of the better street tires like Kumho XS and Hankook S3 will give you nearly the same grip while complying with the "street tire" rule. Or just run in a race tire class and enjoy as much grip as your face can stand.
Loren Williams - Loren @ Invisiblesun.org
The "Push Harder, Suck Less" philosophy explained:
Push Harder - Drive as close to the limit of your tires as possible.
Suck Less - Drive something resembling a proper racing line.
Chris Meier
Notorious
Drives: 2015 Mazda 6 Soul Red
User avatar
Location:
Wesley Chapel, Fl
Joined: September 2008
Posts: 738
First Name: Chris
Last Name: Meier
Favorite Car: 2015 Mazda 6 Soul Red
Location: Wesley Chapel, Fl

Re: June 2011 Event

Postby nc4me » Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:04 pm

Loren wrote:
Native wrote:Fresh Season Points get 'em while they're hot!
Wow, looks like most of the first place champions are decided, but there are a bunch of 2nd place positions up for grabs still with some potential surprises at the last event depending on who shows up in which class and how well they do. How exciting!
I forgot. If there is a tie in points. What is the tie breaker?
Chris Meier
2015 Mazda6 Soul Red 6AT- 18X8 Enkei Racing PF01's with 225/45/18 Continental Extreme DW tires and H&R Sport springs
Loren Williams
Forum Admin
Drives: A Mirage
User avatar
Location:
Safety Harbor
Joined: December 2006
Posts: 13044
First Name: Loren
Last Name: Williams
Favorite Car: A Mirage
Location: Safety Harbor

Re: June 2011 Event

Postby Loren » Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:08 pm

nc4me wrote:I forgot. If there is a tie in points. What is the tie breaker?
http://drivefast.org/event-info/season-championship/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Bottom of page.
(first place finishes, then second place finishes, etc.)
Loren Williams - Loren @ Invisiblesun.org
The "Push Harder, Suck Less" philosophy explained:
Push Harder - Drive as close to the limit of your tires as possible.
Suck Less - Drive something resembling a proper racing line.
Chris Baron
Well-Known
Drives: white Mustang,Black TA,99 Red Mustang(gone) CRX Y.
User avatar
Location:
Land O Lakes
Joined: February 2010
Posts: 305
First Name: Chris
Last Name: Baron
Favorite Car: white Mustang,Black TA,99 Red Mustang(gone) CRX Y.
Location: Land O Lakes

Re: June 2011 Event

Postby yamaha731 » Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:17 pm

which means if you beat Drew I have to beat Drew
Chris
S4
1999 miata

1989 CORVETTE (sold) 1995 CORVETTE (sold) 1990 MUSTANG (sold) 1997 TRANS-AM WS6 (sold) 1999 MUSTANG (sold) 1988 HONDA CRX (sold) 2000 MUSTANG(sold) 1999 miata
Loren Williams
Forum Admin
Drives: A Mirage
User avatar
Location:
Safety Harbor
Joined: December 2006
Posts: 13044
First Name: Loren
Last Name: Williams
Favorite Car: A Mirage
Location: Safety Harbor

Re: June 2011 Event

Postby Loren » Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:22 pm

yamaha731 wrote:which means if you beat Drew I have to beat Drew
Or bribe a good co-driver.
Loren Williams - Loren @ Invisiblesun.org
The "Push Harder, Suck Less" philosophy explained:
Push Harder - Drive as close to the limit of your tires as possible.
Suck Less - Drive something resembling a proper racing line.
Chris Baron
Well-Known
Drives: white Mustang,Black TA,99 Red Mustang(gone) CRX Y.
User avatar
Location:
Land O Lakes
Joined: February 2010
Posts: 305
First Name: Chris
Last Name: Baron
Favorite Car: white Mustang,Black TA,99 Red Mustang(gone) CRX Y.
Location: Land O Lakes

Re: June 2011 Event

Postby yamaha731 » Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:14 am

I'll have to help Drew with setup again so I can strategically place the cones so they are mustang friendly
Chris
S4
1999 miata

1989 CORVETTE (sold) 1995 CORVETTE (sold) 1990 MUSTANG (sold) 1997 TRANS-AM WS6 (sold) 1999 MUSTANG (sold) 1988 HONDA CRX (sold) 2000 MUSTANG(sold) 1999 miata
Eric Gwatney
Notorious
Drives: 00 Suburban
User avatar
Location:
Largo, FL
Joined: June 2008
Posts: 1252
First Name: Eric
Last Name: Gwatney
Favorite Car: 00 Suburban
Location: Largo, FL

Re: June 2011 Event

Postby shakedown067 » Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:42 am

Just make sure there isn't a 5' wide alleyway (it felt that skinny anyway) we've got to drive through....actually, you'll need to chair an event so you can design your own course (with safety's approval of course).
Eric Gwatney
Formerly - 1996 LT-1 Corvette - #67 - M1
"Racing makes heroin addiction look like a vague desire for something salty..." - Peter Egan
http://www.facebook.com/Shakedown067
http://www.instagram.com/Shakedown067
Noob
User avatar
Joined: February 2010
Posts: 25

Re: June 2011 Event

Postby Gregbj8 » Tue Jun 14, 2011 3:28 pm

As a driver of one of those "pesky Elises" I would like to respond to Loren and defend Lotus drivers everywhere :). Since Don's Elise was running in the A Mod race Tire class the misclassed Elise you refer to must be mine. I don't believe that I was misclassed. The Toyo tires I run have a 140 treadwear which is within the rules. Dave Davenport ran a few FAST events with his Exige which came with Yoko 048 Advans and a treadwear of about 40 and he was eventually classed in the A Mod Race Tire class. Nobody at Brooksville spoke to me about my tires. Am I correct to assume that I am in the correct street tire class with my Toyo's at 140tw?
Greg Riching
Lotus Elise
Steve --
Forum Admin
Drives: whatever I can get my hands on
User avatar
Location:
St. Pete
Joined: November 2006
Posts: 5122
First Name: Steve
Last Name: --
Favorite Car: whatever I can get my hands on
Location: St. Pete

Re: June 2011 Event

Postby Native » Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:37 pm

Street tires are DOT approved tires with treadwear rating of 140 or above.

Yep. You're ok. Thanks for the clarification.
Steven Frank
Class M3 Miata
Proud disciple of the "Push Harder, Suck Less" School of Autocross
______________
I'll get to it. Eventually...
Loren Williams
Forum Admin
Drives: A Mirage
User avatar
Location:
Safety Harbor
Joined: December 2006
Posts: 13044
First Name: Loren
Last Name: Williams
Favorite Car: A Mirage
Location: Safety Harbor

Re: June 2011 Event

Postby Loren » Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:44 pm

Gregbj8 wrote:As a driver of one of those "pesky Elises" I would like to respond to Loren and defend Lotus drivers everywhere :). Since Don's Elise was running in the A Mod race Tire class the misclassed Elise you refer to must be mine. I don't believe that I was misclassed. The Toyo tires I run have a 140 treadwear which is within the rules. Dave Davenport ran a few FAST events with his Exige which came with Yoko 048 Advans and a treadwear of about 40 and he was eventually classed in the A Mod Race Tire class. Nobody at Brooksville spoke to me about my tires. Am I correct to assume that I am in the correct street tire class with my Toyo's at 140tw?
Yep, we're talking about you! Apparently, your accuser (who shall remain anonymous) didn't look closely enough at your tires and made an incorrect assumption based on the Toyo brand and an "R" in the model name.

Talk to each other, folks! Or at least LOOK at a tire before you assume it's not a "street tire". Every DOT approved tire has a treadwear rating stamped on it somewhere.

Thanks for clearing this up, Greg. I still think your pesky Elise is sexy. 8-)
Loren Williams - Loren @ Invisiblesun.org
The "Push Harder, Suck Less" philosophy explained:
Push Harder - Drive as close to the limit of your tires as possible.
Suck Less - Drive something resembling a proper racing line.
bill beers
Known
Drives: 95 miata
Joined: March 2011
Posts: 72
First Name: bill
Last Name: beers
Favorite Car: 95 miata

Re: June 2011 Event

Postby wbeers690 » Tue Jun 14, 2011 7:04 pm

as long as those pesky cars dont beat me im fine with them having nice tires.. they cost enough to come from the factory with some pretty serious rubber anyway..

some day ill have one :)
95' white miata m2 now .. M1 once the blower and new motor make it in the car
Bill Beers (the miata with the beach umbrella over it)
Noob
User avatar
Joined: February 2010
Posts: 25

Re: June 2011 Event

Postby Gregbj8 » Tue Jun 14, 2011 7:24 pm

There is hope, high mile cars (~50,000) are below $25,000. They are dead reliable due to the Toyota "inerds" and you can all of your own service work if you wish. The cars with "Track Pack" have the Advan 048's and about 40tw. If anyone is interested in buying one I will assist in the search. Daily driving would be tough due to ingress/exit issues with the top on. A/C almost works well.
Greg Riching
Lotus Elise
Steve --
Forum Admin
Drives: whatever I can get my hands on
User avatar
Location:
St. Pete
Joined: November 2006
Posts: 5122
First Name: Steve
Last Name: --
Favorite Car: whatever I can get my hands on
Location: St. Pete

Re: June 2011 Event

Postby Native » Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:27 pm

^^^If you're still around when I'm done with my Miata I'll take you up on that...
Steven Frank
Class M3 Miata
Proud disciple of the "Push Harder, Suck Less" School of Autocross
______________
I'll get to it. Eventually...
---------- ----------
Notorious
Drives: Whatever has more miles than anything on the grid
User avatar
Location:
Just within reach of storm surge
Joined: December 2006
Posts: 2308
First Name: ----------
Last Name: ----------
Favorite Car: Whatever has more miles than anything on the grid
Location: Just within reach of storm surge

Re: June 2011 Event

Postby Jamie » Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:35 pm

Gregbj8 wrote:A/C almost works well.
Whew...all that talk of reliability had me worried about what had happened to Lotus....
Jamie
'01 Miata, '92 Prelude Si, '88 Alpina B10/3.5, '63 Suburban
Speed Demon Racing

Return to “Past Autocross”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest