2007 Championship Points

[Native]

The 2007 FAST Season Points table is available here: http://wedrivefast.com/SeasonPoints.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As you look it over, if it appears there are any mistakes in how drivers are classed, please let me know. Any changes to finishing order per each event should already have been addressed.

[Charles]

Looks good although have we determined how many events you must attend to be considered for the championship at year end? I guess what I'm trying to say is someone finishing 1st or 2nd consistently for 9-10 events losing out to someone that attended every event finishing 2nd or 3rd doesn't seem right.

Thoughts?

[Anonymous]

Agreed. Other unnamed local clubs take 50% + 1 of your best events to find the overall results.

[Dave-ROR]

Looks good although have we determined how many events you must attend to be considered for the championship at year end? I guess what I'm trying to say is someone finishing 1st or 2nd consistently for 9-10 events losing out to someone that attended every event finishing 2nd or 3rd doesn't seem right.

Thoughts?

Well that would def help me as I won't be at the May or June event at least, and already missed March's..

[TracAction]

this would make the most sence if you use your highest score of 50% +1 of all points events as the championship score With an odd number of events already in the season this would limit the chances of having a tie anyhow.

so with 11 events per year round 50% up to 6+1 scored events with 4 scored events (same as club membership for the season) as the minimum for championship.

I say 4 because this allows for more people to feel as though they paricipated and count and 4 is already an established number of events

also to add some spice could add a qulified event or make the last one of the year only scored for people with 4 scored events and make the last one score on a different scale of some kind. Not so drastic as to allow the guy with 4 or even 5 3rd place finishes to win over a guy with 4 or 5 first but make so that in a close season some people have a chance to really make something out of at a gain of experience from the first of the year to the end.

but this just my thought not that my post counts .... lol

[Anonymous]

That would be cool to have the last event count for more, sort of like a championship event. Maybe increase the points 50% or something like that for that one event.

[Native]

4 events makes you eligible to win prizes. I think it was 5 last year.

Otherwise, rules are unchanged since last year, although slightly amended to suit FAST as opposed to NASA. Total your points, high score wins. So, yes, someone who consistently places first but only comes to 3 events will lose to someone who finishes second or third but comes to 10 events. It's a competition - if you miss a game, you forfeit.

Besides, we'd like to reward regular attendance...and if someone doesn't bother to attend regularly, they must not be too concerned about points, and it won't matter to them anyway.

[Dave-ROR]

That would be cool to have the last event count for more, sort of like a championship event. Maybe increase the points 50% or something like that for that one event.

I like this idea

[Loren]

Steve, ya gotta learn to point to the website. The way you answered the question, folks are likely to think you made the answer up right on the spot... and it just ain't so!

This stuff was discussed and decided upon before the season started, and it's been on the website since December:
http://wedrivefast.com/seasonpoints.cfm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Besides, if you SHOW people where the answer is, they're ever so slightly less likely to ask you the same question again next week.

[Charles]

So, yes, someone who consistently places first but only comes to 3 events will lose to someone who finishes second or third but comes to 10 events. It's a competition - if you miss a game, you forfeit.

Boo! Boo!

I'd say 50% +1 as mentioned above but..........I guess the 07' Rules were already posted :shrugs:

[Loren]

You can't attend 50% of anything and expect to win a season trophy. That's bogus, IMO. I believe something like "drop your worst one or two finishes" is appropriate. If your worst two are events you didn't show up at, so be it!

As I recall, Steve chose to not drop ANY events from the scoring because, as a start-up club, WE need the consistent attendance. Whether they are the absolute fastest driver or not, we want to reward their dedication.

[TracAction]

You can't attend 50% of anything and expect to win a season trophy. That's bogus, IMO. I believe something like "drop your worst one or two finishes" is appropriate. If your worst two are events you didn't show up at, so be it!

As I recall, Steve chose to not drop ANY events from the scoring because, as a start-up club, WE need the consistent attendance. Whether they are the absolute fastest driver or not, we want to reward their dedication.

true but the motivation would be to use your fastest 50% +1 which is actually 7 events out of 11 this gives you 2 to just have a bad day and 2 you just couldn't make ( or what ever combination you fall into) but if you do make all events you gain the advantage of having more events to choose your fastest times from!

I do see the point in rewarding the dedication to compete in all the events it may be discouraging to some who know from the begining that they will not make all of the events and choose to put their efforts in something else i mean it would suck to make it to say November having not missed any and then BAM "life happens" and your now SOL for the season. MAYBE you can just give a full season completion bonus a few points or say a Point %bonus.... nothing to make it unbalanced but still a noticable reward.

[Native]

http://www.nasaforums.com/viewtopic.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... sc&start=0
Here's a link to the discussion we had about this topic a year ago (see Loren, I can learn, sometimes ).

Here's a summary: I accepted a nomination to track the points, and made a valiant attempt to learn MSAccess to so. MSAccess proved to be no match for the time I had to put into learning it, and so I ended up cobbling together an Excel sheet to do it manually. Discussion followed about how to award points, and despite my warnings that I was a noob, the final decision on how to award them was left up to me. After a couple behind the scenes discussions, along the lines of "rewarding attendance" and such, I kept it simple. FWIW, later Loren designed and ordered event award decals and trophy t-shirts, and I, as Points Man, assumed responsibility for figuring out who gets what and handing them out. So far this year, I have a prototype award decal drafted, and as soon as it's ready will be ordering the decals (along with FAST logo decals...)

What I say next is simply information - please do not read it as a threat, or promise, or whatever, but here goes: as long as I'm the one tracking the points, it's gonna be simple.

Someone with better software skills that I have could probably automate it, and include some of the changes that have been re-discussed above. And, since I am in no way married to being Points Man, I am more than willing to (easily) get someone up to speed with it if someone would like to take over (and revamp the system, or not). A midyear change, as long as it either makes no difference, or benefits everyone, shouldn't be a problem (hell, I'm the Director, if I say we change it, we change it ).

[truth]With the job comes managing the awards, too (at least once we actually have them).[/truth]

If anyone is interested, let me know - here, email or pm. If not, I'll just keep on keepin' on. 8)

[muddy]

I see no reason to change the points system mid-year. I think we should re-evaluate at the end of the year and any discussions regarding changes should concentrate on what we should do next year. I don't think it is fair to anyone to change the points system during the season.

[Miata GT]

Anything that increases my ranking and decreases Brian's would be acceptable.

[Loren]

Anything that increases my ranking and decreases Brian's would be acceptable.

Um... you being faster than Brian might accomplish that goal.

[muddy]

Anything that increases my ranking and decreases Brian's would be acceptable.

I haven't been doing very well, nor have I been able to make it to many events. Your opportunity is there.