Rerun for Red Flag after Off Course?

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If a driver goes off course (DNF) and is red-flagged AFTER that offense, should they get a rerun?

Poll ended at Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:33 pm

Yes. There should be a clearly stated rule about this. Any red flagged driver should get a rerun as long as they weren't the cause of the red flag.
7
20%
Yes. But, we don't need to add a rule about it. The driver's run was cut short, so they deserve a rerun.
2
6%
Yes. But, I don't really care. Driver should probably get a rerun.
2
6%
No. There should be a clearly stated rule about this. A DNF is a DNF. Your run is done and it doesn't matter if you're red flagged after that, no rerun.
6
17%
No. No rule required. The driver DNF'd. They're done. No rerun.
16
46%
No. I'm just here to have fun. If this happened to me, I'd take a rerun if offered, but I wouldn't expect one or care if I didn't get it. We have rules?
2
6%
 
Total votes: 35
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Re: Rerun for Red Flag after Off Course?

Postby dropped top » Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:23 pm

I vote to keep the F in FAST! Give the driver a re-run but don't score it.
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Re: Rerun for Red Flag after Off Course?

Postby Jeremy » Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:42 pm

dropped top wrote:I vote to keep the F in FAST! Give the driver a re-run but don't score it.
That's "F in FAST" fun for the driver, but not really for the courseworkers.
Practice runs during a competition sounds odd.

Why don't we carry over cone penalties to the red flag re-run?
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Re: Rerun for Red Flag after Off Course?

Postby Loren » Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:53 pm

Jeremy wrote:Why don't we carry over cone penalties to the red flag re-run?
a) Because that's the way it's always been done. (even the SCCA rule book does it that way)
b) Because there is no automated way to do it. (Timing crew would have to write down the number of cones and remember to apply it to the rerun)

But, really... let's not go there just yet.

All we're trying to do with this poll is answer the question "should there be a rerun?" and the sub-question "do we even care enough to bother writing a rule about it?"
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Re: Rerun for Red Flag after Off Course?

Postby jesup16 » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:17 pm

:pointlaugh: Did Loren just agree with a rule in the SCCA rulebook?

Between 2 opinions that result in a DNF, that's 60% of the vote. I think's it's enough to go forward with a DNF being DNF.
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Re: Rerun for Red Flag after Off Course?

Postby Loren » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:29 pm

jesup16 wrote::pointlaugh: Did Loren just agree with a rule in the SCCA rulebook?
I agree with a lot of the SCCA rule book.
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Re: Rerun for Red Flag after Off Course?

Postby Loren » Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:19 pm

Okay, let's wrap this up.

35 members voted in this poll, and the results were pretty clear:
  • 68% felt that no rerun was warranted for a driver that was red-flagged after a DNF.
  • 37% felt that one way or another there should be a rule about it.
So, we're going to state a rule just for clarity. And that rule is based on the majority opinion.

We've added that rule to our very short list of basic rules:
http://drivefast.org/rules/basic-rules/

Thanks for taking the time to share your opinions on this matter. :thumbleft:
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