For your viewing pleasure... don't say I don't love ya'twistedwankel wrote:https://youtu.be/OWNWJ7BkJQM
My 3rd lap was pleasing to Philip who I had cursed into coning his first two runs and he got personal pix of the carnage I did with 5. Rare footage like filming the Titantic sinking. It was equal to his I thinkBUT those were the ONLY cones I hit all day so Philip's total was way higher than mine. I didn't have to put a voodoo skirt on my car either.
Doug
Experienced personnel are always given the Flag and Radio since like forever? I and most people getting OC or DNF on first runs were grossly overdriving the course the first time out and not paying close enough attention to the pointers OR the lack of grip. Had I ridden with someone earlier it probably would have solved that issue. I never do as it's part of my old SCCA culture. There were plenty of cone walls and green cones marking apexes. Chalk on that parking lot painted areas would only make it more confusing I think. Had it rained at all it would have washed away quickly and then what? Chaos.kirkendsley wrote:I feel like we might want to see if we could improve the walkies. It can be intimidating to use the red flags when there is squawking on the radio. It might also be worth it to make corner captains dedicated to the flag and radio. As for solving the off course issues; Don't we have some sort of line thing we could use to map out the course? It would've really helped today.
True. There are a lot of painted lines on that lot... which lines are you going to watch, and which will you ignore? I totally forgot about that.twistedwankel wrote:Chalk on that parking lot painted areas would only make it more confusing I think.
Another reason we got away from relying on chalk lines too much.Had it rained at all it would have washed away quickly and then what? Chaos.
Agreed ice cream is for all occasions in my worldview, but it is the car racing that is leaving the bunnies to their own sportgarage west wrote: Oh come on, Soraya, you'd have had an ice cream supper regardless of your racing outcome and still let the dust bunnies do their own thing.
...sure... blame it on the passenger you asked to hop in for a ride alongLoren wrote: listening to/talking to Soroya about where she had gone off, lost my focus, got sloppy
Awesome! For a split second I thought I actually had managed to 3 wheel my car @ the 34 second mark.friskyflea wrote: For your viewing pleasure... don't say I don't love ya'
https://youtu.be/LiQJHnH5BfA
Great pictures!aw614 wrote:It was fun stopping by and watching and being able to take pictures of the second run group this morning.
Got the pictures up on my flickr. Feel free to use them for anything
https://www.flickr.com/photos/7995180@N ... 8880465392
Perspective is a funny thing. Our perspective is that TBD is a VERY difficult place to maintain good separation between sections of course to allow more than one car on course. (we've been optimistic with it before and ended up with a 40-second course that we had to run single cars on!) This course was specifically designed to address that. It was designed to allow two (not three, we have no desire to try to run 3 cars on a course at any of the sites we use, and with the many novices and first timers that we get) cars on course safely with the 2nd car starting in the 25-30 second range. We might have missed the 30-second overlap mark by a few seconds, but otherwise it was perfect!RedBRZ80 wrote:The only downside is that it put a lot of the track before a crossover which limited cars on track (hence the only 4 runs)
Yea I def see the parts where I was choppy. I cringe when I see it lol. Feels good you though it was nice but I'm still always placing middle in M1. Hopefully I'll get closer to top 3 somedayLoren wrote:Just a little bit choppy with the steering inputs, but otherwise VERY nice!
I also believe that having most of our events on a runway robs us all of the practice of looking ahead when "ahead" isn't directly in front of us. We're not used to having to scan left or right when we're at the horse or dog track - no matter how clearly the course is marked, we're not practiced at reading them that way.twistedwankel wrote: Experienced personnel are always given the Flag and Radio since like forever? I and most people getting OC or DNF on first runs were grossly overdriving the course the first time out and not paying close enough attention to the pointers OR the lack of grip.
Thanks!twistedwankel wrote:Loren, Steve and Drew have been doing a great job of coming up with challenging safe courses on limited spaces.
lol. That won't happen! Pinky-swear.twistedwankel wrote:...spend two hours in a driver's meeting...
Looking at the map and walking the course, it looked fast and fun (all but that tight right near the end around the light pole). I have not words to describe my driving. I spun the car everywhere and repeatedly, I slowed down and spun it some more.jbrannon7 wrote:Wow, 7 pm and no thread. I had a blast today even though one of those orange pointy things stole my best run. When walking the course it seemed confusing but when running the course it seemed to flow fairly well.
I made not one change to the car from two weeks ago at the dog track, or a month ago at Brooksville, or heck since the beginning of the season. I coached Sara to slow down and clean up her runs allowing her to easily better my own failed attempts. I knew the clutch was slipping, but that wasn't the problem and I knew we had 131 runs on the tires at the beginning of yesterday. Maybe 120 autox runs is the safe limit for the Rival S? 
Maybe anti-seizure medicine and autocross don't mix. Maybe Loren shouldn't jinx folks toward the end of the season, did anyone see a voodoo doll in the trailer? 
While we are talking safety...Native wrote:Glad to know everyone had a good time! Pretty darned smooth day, overall, and while it was hot as all get out, it was not grossly humid - I'll take it!
Not so happy taking that near-miss during the afternoon, though, so I'm gonna take the opportunity here to call it out:
A driver stopped on course after plowing some cones while in the section near the grid. The car following in the pretzel loops continued on, as he should have. At some point, it became clear that the stopped driver, who had by then started slowly on his way, was going to be in the way of the oncoming car at the crossover near the finish. The courseworkers did nothing. Ron was on the radio and out the window yelling for a red flag, and courseworkers did nothing. Luckily, the oncoming car did see the first driver, and slid his car to a stop.
I did speak to the first driver about stopping on course for downed cones being a no-no, and that goes for all of you - if you hit cones, even if they're stuck under your car, you keep going and worry about it when you get back to grid. I'm also calling out 4 stations-worth of courseworkers. I know during the drivers' meeting we ask y'all to use red flags sparingly, but a potential collision and a radio call for a red flag is the exact time you DO flag. Part of coursework is making sure cars don't crash into each other!
We all got lucky today - especially the two drivers on course.
I put 125 runs on my set, and Philip got 6 more out of them before reaching cord. Time for new tires, Joe!jev61 wrote:Maybe 120 autox runs is the safe limit for the Rival S?
Right. If under a hold start condition, courseworkers should call in to timing that the course is clear, and then timing gives the starter the go-ahead. I was unaware that wasn't happening, as to my knowledge that's our standard procedure. The "blind spots" in the course are another thing we aren't used to, and we can call attention to that during the drivers' meeting at that site from now on. And telling workers to get out of the way was the right thing to do if red flags weren't flying - safety first and let the driver worry about the downed cones.vzwire wrote:
While we are talking safety...
The issue:
From station 4 I would call "hold start", and a few times the starting line would launch the next car BEFORE I would clear the course.
At Brooksville, this would never be an issue because everyone has sight of the entire course and it is easy to see from the start line/trailer when it is safe to send the next car. At the horse track, both stations 3 & 4 are completely blocked by the tower fence. We know that stations 3 & 4 were also the most difficult for most drivers yesterday.
The starter would launch car 2 after the car on course would cross over from the blind spot. Here is when the issue would happen:
A car would enter stations 3 & 4. Drivers would get lost and carnage would ensue. At that point I would call out hold-start because we have multiple cones down, and sometimes multiple folks from 3 different stations would be on course fixing the aftermath. Meanwhile, the driver that caused the chaos would continue across to the second half of the course. The starter would see this and launch the next car.
I CALLED HOLD-START AND NOW I HAVE 3-4 WORKERS ON COURSE...WITH A CAR SECONDS AWAY FROM COMING STRAIGHT FOR US!!! This happened 3 times, I yelled at everyone to haul ass off course and I had to red flag a Porsche one time to stop them from entering the pretzel.
The back half of the course is completely blind to the trailer and start guy. We HAVE to trust the experienced corner captains.
My suggestion is that we MUST ask for a "course clear" once "hold start" has been called to ensure everyone is ready. Even at Brooksville, let's make this as habit as the "all course red flag rule".
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