FAST Classic - Jan 28

markzeronine · Postby **markzeronine** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:26 pm

Ah I give in.. throwing on my old tires that I'm not even sure will make it home after the day lol. Luckily I can have someone bring some more wheels since it's fairly close if that's the case.

I like the "stop messing with your car" talk going on. I didn't really touch my car since I started a year and a half or so ago... hell I stopped even checking tire pressures lol. I did finally put on a huge borrowed front sway bar for the last event and it seemed to work well. It will kill me at this place where I already have no front grip, mixed with crap tires but I'm sure I'll be able to at least put on a bit of a show for everyone.

See you all there

Kdub085 · Postby **Kdub085** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:30 pm

So is the dog track gonna eat up my tires? Should I throw on some old spares?

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twistedwankel · Postby **twistedwankel** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:33 pm

markzeronine wrote:Ah I give in.. throwing on my old tires I'm sure I'll be able to at least put on a bit of a show for everyone.

See you all there

That's the spirit. Adventure.

bluesight · Postby **bluesight** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:14 pm

OK...I have a personal agenda to get more drivers to come out...So how could you refuse when you could be testing yourself against what will likely be the BIGGEST vehicle out there (Moby Dick!...that is unless someone decides to enter this part of the competition with their (full size) pickup or SUV...hey...I saw the Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT CRUSH the dog track course last year). And, if there are enough drivers, I'll be running the Insight, not the SMALLEST, but in a grudge match competition with THE SMALLEST...Fastiva...which, by the way, was beaten by the Insight at the dog track last year. You can't see if you can beat the M4s this go-around if you don't come out (ok...Loren is officially in M3). Gauntlet cast!

Just a few more hours to get in...

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puncturina · Postby **puncturina** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:25 pm

Hmmm. Cold weather, bald tires, gravel, off-camber elevation changes, and our talent for spins...The Doug and Eva show will be entertaining y'all on Saturday. New tires next week!

Postby **Loren** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:30 pm

Kdub085 wrote:So is the dog track gonna eat up my tires? Should I throw on some old spares?

"Eat up" is a strong statement. Will you see more wear at the dog track than at Brooksville? Yes. Because we typically do a BUNCH of runs (like 8-10), and the surface is roughish asphalt rather than smooth concrete, plus it has a bit of sand on it in places, which adds to the abrasiveness, and due to its size, tight turn-arounds are a requirement.

So, yeah, you'll see some tire wear there. How much depends on how you choose to drive it. If you're the kind of driver who has the "oh, the car is understeering, I'm going to add more steering input and FLOOR IT", your tires won't be happy. If you drive the surface and your car the way they want to be driven, it's really not so bad.

It will often LOOK kinda bad because the rough asphalt and the dirt will make the edges of your sidewalls look worse than they are. But, after some street miles, things are back to looking like normal.

Should you run some old spares? Eh, it's a Classic event... so, maybe yes? You're not going to get stellar grip out there on that surface, anyway. That said... Carl came out with his Corvette on race tires and set FTD a while back... not exactly "the car" for a tight course on a non-grippy surface, but the race rubber helped him. Can't say that good tires are useless there.

How's that for a non-committal answer?

ImpostorDan · Postby **ImpostorDan** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:20 pm

Many a tire destin for the grave has been sanded smooth at the dog track.

It's not bad if you abstain from massive drifts... But they get kinda fun.

Kdub085 · Postby **Kdub085** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:36 pm

Hmm.... Thanks for the heads up, low boost map and light footed around the corners it shall be... Well...at least for a couple of first runs that is. [emoji3]

I was able to get that new RSB installed, it really woke up the suspension. The car feels a whole lot more responsive going into corners at speed... but with all of that being said, I can easily see myself going for a spin if I'm not careful. She's riding TIGHT now, and I like it!

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Postby **Native** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:22 am

bluesight wrote:OK...I have a personal agenda to get more drivers to come out...So how could you refuse when you could be testing yourself against what will likely be the BIGGEST vehicle out there (Moby Dick!...that is unless someone decides to enter this part of the competition with their (full size) pickup or SUV...hey...I saw the Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT CRUSH the dog track course last year). And, if there are enough drivers, I'll be running the Insight, not the SMALLEST, but in a grudge match competition with THE SMALLEST...Fastiva...which, by the way, was beaten by the Insight at the dog track last year. You can't see if you can beat the M4s this go-around if you don't come out (ok...Loren is officially in M3). Gauntlet cast!

Just a few more hours to get in...

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Gauntlet received...

bluesight · Postby **bluesight** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:45 pm

By hook or crook, I'll make the Insight work...
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Postby **Native** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:15 pm

Your Insight might work,
but it won't work well enough.
Fastiva will win.

Blue_Heron · Postby **Blue_Heron** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:07 pm

Native wrote:Your Insight might work,
but it won't work well enough.
Fastiva will win.

Oh, look, I just found another gauntlet on the floor. I wonder where that came from.

Postby **Native** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 6:44 pm

ImpostorDan · Postby **ImpostorDan** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:03 pm

So I was looking at the entry list and noticed the classing differs at face value, and then I noticed that classing has HS was highlighted the same as the bump down statement.

Is S5 a bump down for ES/GS w/tire and open diff conditions - and HS regardless; or is it a bump down for ES-HS?

S4 - Stock Street Tire 4 (ES) 6 ENTRIES
S5 - Stock Street Tire 5 (HS+) 3 ENTRIES

I think I know my answer, but ya know, I'll keep asking until the reg page is matching!

Postby **Loren** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:37 pm

Read the rules page.

But, yes, "S5 – Voluntary bump down for ES/GS/HS cars (must meet requirements)"

The info that shows on the entry list page is probably a little out of date. I'll look at it. Maybe just remove all of the SCCA classing crap altogether.

bluesight · Postby **bluesight** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:48 pm

Late reg opened up, so another day to get in on the fun! It's going to be interesting...in that knock-down-drag-out kinda way...

Ouch!
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Solar · Postby **Solar** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:47 am

bluesight wrote:By hook or crook, I'll make the Insight work...
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By hook or crook, you mean "by gas or battery" ?

Postby **Loren** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:51 am

He means "in his dreams".

twistedwankel · Postby **twistedwankel** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:43 pm

Kdub085 wrote:So is the dog track gonna eat up my tires? Should I throw on some old spares?

markzeronine wrote:Ah I give in.. throwing on my old tires that I'm not even sure will make it home after the day lol. Luckily I can have someone bring some more wheels since it's fairly close if that's the case.

You all know that the only "unsafe/unproven" tire is the new one you just put on the car right? Assuming there is no cord showing and no cracks old tires are awesome handling simply due to less squirm no chunking.

Kdub085 · Postby **Kdub085** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:49 pm

twistedwankel wrote: You all know that the only "unsafe/unproven" tire is the new one you just put on the car right? Assuming there is no cord showing and no cracks old tires are awesome handling simply due to less squirm no chunking.

So far the Federals are holding up nicely, no noticeable wear issue. I guess I'll roll the dice and see how long they can hold up... if I can get an entire season or more out of them I'll be happy.

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