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That doesn't solve the problem.

You've moved 9 cars up "out of G", and moved 6 cars down "into G". Net result, only 3 less cars in G.

Using Dave's Example for all cars.
1. SS, AS, BS
2. CS, FS
3. ES, DS
4. GS, HS

Class 1 (9 People)
1T 49 Dave Balogh 06 Honda S2000
4 55 Yang Gao 04 Honda S2000
3 3 Clinton Wilson 03 BMW M3
5 5 Jack Neely AP1 S2000
7 1 Jeremy Damico 05 Honda S2000
8 84 Justin Brew 03 Honda S2000
4 124 Joe Marchica 93 Toyota MR2 turbo
13 58 Christina Edwards 05 Mazda RX8
6 115 Chris Rousch 06 Nissan 350z

Class 2 (6 People)
2 113 Mark Lasota 05 Mazda Mx-5
584 Matthew Bennett 85 Toyota MR2 (pending Prod. legal, and being a supercharged model)
9 65 Mark Jones 04 Mazda Mazdaspeed MX-5
22 27 Ed Courtemanche 99 Mazda Miata
23 20 Mike Kennedy 04 Mazda Miata
9 310 Steve Woodbury Ford Mustang

Class 3 (10 People)
1T 38 John Edwards 08 Mazda Mazdaspeed 3
3 37 Steven Frank 94 Mazda Miata
2 24 Aaron Parke 07 Mazda Mazdaspeed3
14 77 Carl Nyman 93 Mazda MX5
16 10 Mario Kikic 95 Mazda Miata
17 83 Carl McKim 96 Mazda Miata
19 44 Pamela Corbin 93 Mazda Miata
21 2 Rudy Kriebel 94 Mazda Miata
8 117 Harold Heimmer 05 Chrysler Crossfire
27 183 Rick McKim 96 Mazda Miata


Class 4 (12 People)
6 30 Brian Kollar 03 Honda Civic Si
10 22 Nicholas Kriebel 02 Ford SVT Focus
11 100 Thomas Russo 06 Honda Civic SI
15 256 Jordan Young 91 Nissan 240sx
5 45 Travis Floyd 08 Pontiac G6
18 711 Andrew Coeulton Chevy Malibu
20 306 Larry Kollar Honda Civic Si
24 717 Tom Mann Chevy Malibu
99 Mike Chawk 06 vw gti
25 109 Andrew Baraban 07 Scion tC
26 48 Timothy Taylor 05 Dodge Neon
28 88 Erik Cordinas Mazda MX-3

If we went with something like Dave's example would we want to carry these four classes into the modified and race tire arena? Or just leave those as is?

I think Woodbury's Mustang was a GT.

That's really not a bad class structure. I could live with that. The 2nd class is a little light... but we can't rely on that always being the case. F Stock-type cars are usually a little more prevalant than that.

Also in that group would be the NA Solstice/Sky, NA MR2, BMW 5 series and larger, Cad CTS-V, and various other "muscle cars".

I think the mod classes are a discussion for another day.

But, for the same reason SCCA doesn't use the same class structure when moving up to SP/P/M classes, I don't think this would work as a basis for our Mod classes. Perhaps what we have in place is working there?

Loren wrote:I think Woodbury's Mustang was a GT.

Moved.

Loren wrote:But, for the same reason SCCA doesn't use the same class structure when moving up to SP/P/M classes, I don't think this would work as a basis for our Mod classes. Perhaps what we have in place is working there?

Or we could do the same thing with the SP PAX.

Jeremy wrote:Or we could do the same thing with the SP PAX.

Let's leave that as a discussion for the classing comittee... this has gotten way too deep already! (but the idea does have merit... except that our mod classes use street tires and SCCA SP uses autox rubber)

You need to add 584 Matthew Bennett 85 Toyota MR2 to Class 2.

Loren wrote:You need to add 584 Matthew Bennett 85 Toyota MR2 to Class 2.

He registered in the modified class for the last event. (added him anyway, see above)

If anyone wants to see where their car classes, the rulebook is here...
http://scca.com/documents/Solo%20Rules/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... ules_2.pdf
3 MB PDF. Stock car classifications are pages 155-163

Ah, I see. Didn't realize he'd gone mod.

Loren wrote:That's really not a bad class structure. I could live with that. The 2nd class is a little light... but we can't rely on that always being the case. F Stock-type cars are usually a little more prevalant than that.

We could split them like this to solve the dead class 2...
1. SS, AS, BS, CS (14 cars)
2. FS, ES, DS (11 cars)
3. GS, HS (12 cars)

For reference here are the pax rankings once again...
100 SS
99 AS
98 BS
97.9 CS
96.9 FS
96.5 ES
96.3 GS
96 DS
94 HS

BS and CS are so close, it's a shame to split them up. Same thing with FS/ES/GS/DS. But it's almost impossible to keep them together, without creating monster classes again.

But, I think the HS guys will appreciate not having to fight with the big dogs.

that seems to pair the cars up better without having a 25+ car classes. i like that idea.

Loren wrote:But, I think the HS guys will appreciate not having to fight with the big dogs.

Brooksville March 8th results, 3 class model separating HS.

SS,AS,BS,CS (14 People)
1 1 Jeremy Damico 05 Honda S2000
2 49 Dave Balogh 06 Honda S2000
1 5 Clinton Wilson 03 BMW M3
4 86 Randy Young 99 Mazda Mx-5
5 73 Chuck Ray 07 Mazda RX8
6 4 Terry Glazar 07 Lotus Elise
7 65 Mark Jones 04 Mazda Mazdaspeed MX-5
8 68 Jeff Toretta 03 Honda S2000
10 124 Joe Marchica 93 Toyota MR2 turbo
11 84 Justin Brew 03 Honda S2000
12 20 Mike Kennedy 04 Mazda Miata
17 58 Christina Edwards 05 Mazda RX8
19 64 Roger McKenzie 99 Porsche Boxster
23 27 Ed Courtemanche 99 Mazda Miata


DS,ES,FS,GS (12 People)
3 17 Marshall McLean 97 Mazda Miata
9 37 Steven Frank 94 Mazda Miata
2 16 John Scott 02 BWM 330 Ci
3 97 Timothy Jay 05 Infiniti G35
4 99 Mike Chawk 06 VW GTI
13 83 Carl McKim 96 Mazda Miata
16 55 Nicholas Kriebel 02 Ford SVT Focus
21 77 Carl Nyman 93 Mazda MX5
22 808 Steven Rush 03 Acura Rsx-S
24 256 Jordan Young 91 Nissan 240sx
25 44 Pamela Corbin 93 Mazda Miata
5 310 Stephen Woodbury 05 Ford Mustang Gt


HS (4 People)
14 76 Adam Parke 05 Mazda Mazda3
15 101 Chris Kory 98 Ford Escort ZX2
18 30 Brian Kollar 03 Honda Civic Si
20 91 Ryan Rossler 91 Honda Civic

That most recent one looks pretty fair, all except for the 99 miata in the same class as the mazdaspeed miata. is that a typo or would that really be the accurate class?

Agent wrote:That most recent one looks pretty fair, all except for the 99 miata in the same class as the mazdaspeed miata. is that a typo or would that really be the accurate class?

It's accurate. SCCA used to class the Mazdaspeed higher but lowered to to CS with the normal 2nd gen miatas since they proved to be no faster than a 99 Miata due to extra weight.

Agent wrote:That most recent one looks pretty fair, all except for the 99 miata in the same class as the mazdaspeed miata. is that a typo or would that really be the accurate class?

I believe SCCA classes all NB Miatas together.

OK. Discussion seems to have died.

Let's get that committee going.

Bob de la Gardelle (Miazdaman) has already volunteered. Who else wants to be part of the committee to decide what's gonna be done with G?

Post up!

I'll help.

Cool.

We got Bob, and Loren.

How about one or two more?