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lddavis91 wrote:

Native wrote:NOTICE to those who will know who they are when they read or hear about this:


http://drivefast.org/rules/safety-rules/

"Closed-toe shoes are required for all participants at all times."

ALL participants at ALL times. Please don't show up in flip flops, switch to shoes while driving, then switch back to flops. Too many ways to crunch a toe, or entire foot.
Just leave the flops and sandals etc at home. And "participants" means guests, too, so please inform your guest to wear full shoes, too.

Thanks.

Well, I guess this is directed at me (at least in part) as this is exactly what I have done going on 20 years now. Exactly what eventuality are you "protecting" us against with this rule? Exactly how much protection do you think the average mesh running shoe provides against a car running over your foot? If "crunched toes or feet" is what you're concerned about we all need to be wearing steel toe boots all day I guess as the typical closed toed shoes being worn by most everyone only provides the myth of some sort of "protection" beyond blocking UV maybe. The difference in the amount of damage my foot would sustain when being run over by a car be I wearing flip flops or be a wearing my New Balance running shoes would be indiscernible, this is a matter of fact.

Thanks for the feedback, Les. The rule was written long before you were in attendance, and if you are breaking the rule, then, yes, it's directed at you. And we'd appreciate your compliance.

About 6 months ago I dropped a plastic jar of peanut butter on my toe. My toe hurt like a sum-bich, bled for a good while, and I have a permanent scar. The jar wasn't full (I likes me some peanut butter).

Fire extinguisher.
Cone (or stack thereof).
Flag stick.
Tech box.
Jack stand.
Lug wrench.
Festiva hood.
Water sprayer.
Bottle of water.
Can of soda.
Radio.
Cooler (full or not).
PIck a tool, any tool.
and so on, ad nauseam.

The matter of fact is that eventualities happen, and had I not been barefoot (read: exposed toes) when I dropped that jar of peanut butter, it still would've hurt, but not as much, and I wouldn't have been cut, nor scarred.

Contrary to last event where I thought I got what the car would give, I left a ton out there this time. Flubbed my last two runs. Tried to put it in 1st gear on run 3 and hit a cone early on my last run so I just wailed on it. Slid sideways-ish into the wall at the crossover. As Joe mentioned, I decided that I made the course workers do enough already, so just bailed. There was easily a 41 there for me. Just a bit of talent deficiency this day.

lddavis91 wrote:Well, I guess this is directed at me (at least in part) as this is exactly what I have done going on 20 years now. Exactly what eventuality are you "protecting" us against with this rule? Exactly how much protection do you think the average mesh running shoe provides against a car running over your foot? If "crunched toes or feet" is what you're concerned about we all need to be wearing steel toe boots all day I guess as the typical closed toed shoes being worn by most everyone only provides the myth of some sort of "protection" beyond blocking UV maybe. The difference in the amount of damage my foot would sustain when being run over by a car be I wearing flip flops or be a wearing my New Balance running shoes would be indiscernible, this is a matter of fact.

I was confused by this rule. So if my wife sits in the safe spectator zone with her open toed shoes (only kind she owns) she will be ousted? I assumed this was an issue with working the course with beach walkint gear which seems even more dangerous than driving barefoot? One shagging cones really does need some decent grip shoes. Even with decent running shoes I fell/slipped on stones a few years ago at St Pete running away from a speeding car and doing a forward roll. I was young back then. Now I whack them with my white cane.

We really like consistent rules. That's why this one is the way it is. (and also why we have ONE sound rule rather than different ones for different sites) One rule for everybody, all the time. Wear shoes. Not that complicated.

And it's not that uncommon of a rule for motorsports. Even autocross.

SCCA Solo Rules
4.3.3 Footwear
Shoes covering the entire foot shall be worn.

twistedwankel wrote:So if my wife sits in the safe spectator zone with her open toed shoes (only kind she owns) she will be ousted?

If you want to get "technical" about it. Are you talking about an event that "openly" allows spectators? If so, "spectators" are 100' outside the perimeter of the event, and we don't much care what they do as long as they stay out there because they are outside of the scope of our event. But, for a closed site like most airstrips, we consider the whole site a "hot area", there is no "spectator zone" because there's simply not good way to put guests 100' away from the course (which is where our insurance would require a spectator to be) without requiring them to be 100' out in a field!

This is the same reason we don't allow children at a closed site like Brooksville. No safe "spectator area", so officially no "spectators", just non-driving participants.

Anyone who's been required to sign the insurance waiver and is inside the "hot area" is considered a "participant", not a "spectator".

lddavis91 wrote:

Native wrote:NOTICE to those who will know who they are when they read or hear about this:


http://drivefast.org/rules/safety-rules/

"Closed-toe shoes are required for all participants at all times."

ALL participants at ALL times. Please don't show up in flip flops, switch to shoes while driving, then switch back to flops. Too many ways to crunch a toe, or entire foot.
Just leave the flops and sandals etc at home. And "participants" means guests, too, so please inform your guest to wear full shoes, too.

Thanks.

Well, I guess this is directed at me (at least in part) as this is exactly what I have done going on 20 years now. Exactly what eventuality are you "protecting" us against with this rule? Exactly how much protection do you think the average mesh running shoe provides against a car running over your foot? If "crunched toes or feet" is what you're concerned about we all need to be wearing steel toe boots all day I guess as the typical closed toed shoes being worn by most everyone only provides the myth of some sort of "protection" beyond blocking UV maybe. The difference in the amount of damage my foot would sustain when being run over by a car be I wearing flip flops or be a wearing my New Balance running shoes would be indiscernible, this is a matter of fact.

Well, on the upside, FAST rules don't explicitly require pants, but do recommend long cotton sleeves... Comfort bathrobes anyone?

This is why we can't have nice things.

You aren't going to find a bathrobe to match your steel toe boots, Dan. It's a fashion disaster. The 'F' in FAST is for fabulous after all.
Just wear a long Hawaiian shirt. Make sure your junk doesn't show. That would be gauche.

I guess I know what I'm wearing at the next event..

Finally got around to compiling the vids of my runs. I tried a new vantage point this time using a headrest mount I made.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK4WZN1YBM0

I prefer John Daly's fashion style. More variety!
Work Safe link.
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Native wrote:

lddavis91 wrote:

Native wrote:NOTICE to those who will know who they are when they read or hear about this:


http://drivefast.org/rules/safety-rules/

"Closed-toe shoes are required for all participants at all times."

ALL participants at ALL times. Please don't show up in flip flops, switch to shoes while driving, then switch back to flops. Too many ways to crunch a toe, or entire foot.
Just leave the flops and sandals etc at home. And "participants" means guests, too, so please inform your guest to wear full shoes, too.

Thanks.

Well, I guess this is directed at me (at least in part) as this is exactly what I have done going on 20 years now. Exactly what eventuality are you "protecting" us against with this rule? Exactly how much protection do you think the average mesh running shoe provides against a car running over your foot? If "crunched toes or feet" is what you're concerned about we all need to be wearing steel toe boots all day I guess as the typical closed toed shoes being worn by most everyone only provides the myth of some sort of "protection" beyond blocking UV maybe. The difference in the amount of damage my foot would sustain when being run over by a car be I wearing flip flops or be a wearing my New Balance running shoes would be indiscernible, this is a matter of fact.

Thanks for the feedback, Les. The rule was written long before you were in attendance, and if you are breaking the rule, then, yes, it's directed at you. And we'd appreciate your compliance.

About 6 months ago I dropped a plastic jar of peanut butter on my toe. My toe hurt like a sum-bich, bled for a good while, and I have a permanent scar. The jar wasn't full (I likes me some peanut butter).

Fire extinguisher.
Cone (or stack thereof).
Flag stick.
Tech box.
Jack stand.
Lug wrench.
Festiva hood.
Water sprayer.
Bottle of water.
Can of soda.
Radio.
Cooler (full or not).
PIck a tool, any tool.
and so on, ad nauseam.

The matter of fact is that eventualities happen, and had I not been barefoot (read: exposed toes) when I dropped that jar of peanut butter, it still would've hurt, but not as much, and I wouldn't have been cut, nor scarred.

I presume this peanut butter jar calamity happened at home? Do you now slip on closed toe shoes the moment you get out of bed? I had a similar incident with a glass salad dressing jar by the refrigerator about a year ago, hurt like hell, left a big purple bruise under my toenail that has just now grown all the way out actually... yet... in my infinite stupidity I guess, I don't wear steel toe boots when I'm making my lunch salad every day, even when handling glass salad dressing jars!!! Oh the horror! I still walk around my house predominantly barefoot without even the slightest hint of protection flaunting my delectable toes about like an evil temptress for all those salad dressing and peanut butter jars I regularly handle throughout any given day to pounce upon crushing and maiming at will. I'm such a fool!

You know, we could easily get hit by a meteorite standing out on that airport runway all "willy nilly" like we do, we should totally be wearing bullet proof kevlar helmets to go along with our steel toe boots and flak jackets (because, you know, a tire could explode at any moment at one of these events sending steel belt shards through the air like shrapnel speaking of, don't forget the eye protection!)

-Les (Who doesn't GAF about the occasional toe trauma and hates sock tan lines)

Thanks again, Les.
Believe it or not, I tend to not be a "what if" kinda guy. But, I do recognize that odds of getting hurt vary per location, and per individual.
And at FAST events, closed-toe shoes it is. All participants, all the time.

Seriously? Still arguing about footwear? Just wear closed toe shoes, not that difficult and no reason to take it so personally.

Can we talk about what matters now? The event?

Loren wrote:We really like consistent rules. That's why this one is the way it is. (and also why we have ONE sound rule rather than different ones for different sites) One rule for everybody, all the time. Wear shoes. Not that complicated.

And it's not that uncommon of a rule for motorsports. Even autocross.

SCCA Solo Rules
4.3.3 Footwear
Shoes covering the entire foot shall be worn.

My open toe shoe fetish is not a new one, It started at a tender young age for me. Sure, everyone probably has this rule on the books (I'm pretty sure it is only ever applied to driving and course working though) however 20 years of autocrossing with SCCA, THSCC, TSCC, VMSC, GCAC, etc, etc, No one, and I mean no one has every said a word to me about my flip flops while I'm acting essentially as spectator at an event, not until FAST that is...

-Les (who "lives on the edge" when it comes to minor foot trauma at least, and thinks sock tan lines are dumb)

Evil MS3 wrote:Seriously? Still arguing about footwear? Just wear closed toe shoes, not that difficult and no reason to take it so personally.

Can we talk about what matters now? The event?

Sock tan lines "matter" Taylor, they matter so very much. :-)

I was an offender of the sandal rule also, but now that i know it is a rule, i will wear closed toe shoes during the autocross events. Not a big deal.

This track was awesome and we should definitely use it for a Classic event. After going spinning off-course on my first run (totally blaming on the cold track, tires and too much faith in the miata vs the truck) I only had one good run of the 4 with a 45.6, thinking that may be a good time in the S4 class, until the afternoon crew (phillip, jason and jamie) kicked my ass and knocked me out of the top three.

Another well run event and look forward to the next one (with hopefully some new RE-71R tires).

Native wrote:LOOK HERE =
http://www.drivefast.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2400

It says this:

Good news, y'all!
We're raising the db limit, effective immediately. "Soft" limit will be 96, and "hard" limit will be 99.

And bad news, for some, as here's the list of car numbers and db levels from the May 6 Open at Brooksville:
EARLY
7/107 - 98.7
711 - 97.9
178 - 98.9
310 - 106

LATE
96 - 102.5
86 - 105.3
421 - 98.5
231 - 100.6
112 - 96
21 - 97
57/157 - 98.8

Now, we do realize that "loud" is dependent on many variables, and courses, which is why we try to be as permissive as we can in enforcing our rule. Still, if you see your number listed, well, we're asking you to do something to reduce your car's sound level before you come to your next event. We'll be checking, and while we don't want to poop on the party, we do reserve the right to shut you down if your car is just too darned loud.

Thanks for your support and understanding.

Wow, I am actually shocked my car did not make the list. I did change my exhaust to something a little more civilized; however, I for sure thought it was going to be too loud.

Indian srt-4 wrote:Wow, I am actually shocked my car did not make the list. I did change my exhaust to something a little more civilized; however, I for sure thought it was going to be too loud.

Note that we just raised the limit from 95 to 96. You WERE above 95 a couple times, but mostly not.