SRT4 - What Mod Class?

[Jeremy]

What's the rules on re-classing again?

Dodge SRT-4 Neon Chassis should be in M2

M3 16 Anthony Briody 05 Dodge Srt-4

I am going to move him in the season points, since I don't want to redo it later.

[Loren]

What's the rules on re-classing again?

Dodge SRT-4 Neon Chassis should be in M2

M3 16 Anthony Briody 05 Dodge Srt-4

I am going to move him in the season points, since I don't want to redo it later.

Generally, we don't allow reclassing after the event. But, in this case, it's not going to affect the trophy positions, so I guess it's not a big deal. I believe it's his first time running in modified. Someone did ask if the car was properly classed at the event, but I couldn't tell them off the top of my head.

[4nmbr6]

Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:51 pm | Re: January 21, 2012 Post Event Thread

Jeremy wrote:
What's the rules on re-classing again?

Dodge SRT-4 Neon Chassis should be in M2

M3 16 Anthony Briody 05 Dodge Srt-4

I am going to move him in the season points, since I don't want to redo it later.


Generally, we don't allow reclassing after the event. But, in this case, it's not going to affect the trophy positions, so I guess it's not a big deal. I believe it's his first time running in modified. Someone did ask if the car was properly classed at the event, but I couldn't tell them off the top of my head.

ALCON,
I checked the SCCA solo website to make sure I classed my car right for my first event back . They had my car classed in GS for stock and DSP for modified. This makes my car classed as S5 and M3 in FAST. Their was also another car simuliar to mine racing in M3. The Mazdaspeed 3 . If this is not correct please let me know.

[Jeremy]

ALCON,
I checked the SCCA solo website to make sure I classed my car right for my first event back . They had my car classed in GS for stock and DSP for modified. This makes my car classed as S5 and M3 in FAST. Their was also another car simuliar to mine racing in M3. The Mazdaspeed 3 . If this is not correct please let me know.

What's your car? And there is no reason to check SCCA's website as far as I know. The car classes should be listed on this website.
http://drivefast.org/event-info/rules-classing/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Loren]

I checked the SCCA solo website to make sure I classed my car right for my first event back . They had my car classed in GS for stock and DSP for modified. This makes my car classed as S5 and M3 in FAST. Their was also another car simuliar to mine racing in M3. The Mazdaspeed 3 . If this is not correct please let me know.

Well, it's not necessarily so. Our classes are "loosely based" on SCCA classes. We maintain our own class lists, and you'll find them on our website under Rules and Classing. The SRT4 is listed in M2. The reason it's in M2 is that our M3 class combines DSP and FSP and all of the regular Neons are in FSP. Our rules would bump a Neon with an added turbo up a class, so that's what we opted to do with the SRT4 to keep thing fair for the rest of M3. Remember, our Mod classes don't have SCCA's street prepared restrictions, mods are UNLIMITED, so you can easily make WAY more power than an SCCA DSP car with some turbo-related tweaks.

So, yeah. M2 for the SRT4.

[Jeremy]

The SCCA didn't release an easy to "copy and paste" list of modified classes like they did a few years ago when the classes were created. So the modified FAST classes have been frozen in time for the last 3 years. So either I made a typo or the SRT-4 was moved to DSP from somewhere else. So technically he is right. The SRT-4 is in M3.

I can't think of where the SRT-4 used to be classed. That was right around the time when SCCA changed the boost rules so there were all kinds of funny classings. It could have been in ESP with the WRX.

I never liked DSP + FSP in the same class. DSP cars are capable of setting FTD's, FSP cars really aren't.

[rojna]

I think they moved the NEON SRT-4 in 09 from DS to GS

I can't think of where the SRT-4 used to be classed. That was right around the time when SCCA changed the boost rules so there were all kinds of funny classings. It could have been in ESP with the WRX. .

Long time ago it was in CSP

[Loren]

I think they moved the NEON SRT-4 in 09 from DS to GS

Completely irrelevant to the discussion of our Mod classes, as they are not based on stock classing.

[rojna]

SCCA also split the NEON's (not srt) depending on year
95-99 GS
00-05 HS

[Loren]

So technically he is right. The SRT-4 is in M3.

No, technically, any car is classed where OUR class list says it is. I think there are a few exceptions in our list that we did on purpose.

I'm not saying we can't change it if that's the consensus, but as it stands: the list is the list.

It really makes sense to me for a capable turbo car to be in M2. If anyone wants to suggest that we change that, please start a new thread to discuss.

[rojna]

I think they moved the NEON SRT-4 in 09 from DS to GS

Completely irrelevant to the discussion of our Mod classes, as they are not based on stock classing.

sorry

[Loren]

FYI, I just found our thread from 2008 where we split what used to be a single mod-street tire class into the current three classes. The SRT4 is in M2 because it was in CSP at that time:

CSP
NA Miatas (all), MR2, CRX / 88-91 Civic, RSX, M3 (E30), SRT-4, NA MR2, Solstice

DSP
BMW 3 series, Integra (all), Civic VTEc 96-00, Impreza 2.5, Neon, 240sx, Sentra, Focus SVT, Prelude, VW Golf/Jetta, Mini Cooper S.

Stand by, I'm gonna do some thread surgery and split this topic out.

[Loren]

Okay, I'll propose the question:

Should we leave the SRT4 in M2 where it is, or should we move it to M3?

Pros:
It would match the SCCA classing

Cons:
It would render every other Neon obsolete. And if any of the other Neons adds a turbo to try to keep up, THEY get bumped to M2.

My opinion: Leave it where it's at.

[rojna]

so would a neon swaped to full srt-4 spec be in M3 or M2 ??

I have this waiting to go in but have not done it to stay in M3 for now ... everything else in my neon is from a SRT-4
[img]http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 9034_n.jpg[/img]

[Loren]

SRT4-swapped standard Neon would be M2.

[nc4me]

Just wondering. Does the same thing apply to Andrew's car, Mazdaspeed 3. Normally mazda 3 would in M3, but he ran his MS3 in M3 along with the SRT-4. Does he get bumped to M2 as well. I would hope the same thing applies to him that applies to Anthony. I would put both cars in M2.

[Jeremy]

Yes. Lets bump every DSP car that has a crappier counterpart in FSP. By the time we are done, M3 will be FSP only.

I move to bump all these cars to M2...

Cobalt SS makes the Cobalt (2.2L, all) obsolete
SRT-4 makes the Neon (2000-05) obsolete
Contour SVT makes the Contour obsolete
Focus SVT makes the Focus (NOC) obsolete
Probe (Turbo & V6) makes the Probe (4-cyl non-turbo) obsolete
Civic Si makes the Civic (non-Si) obsolete
Del Sol (DOHC) makes the Del Sol (1992-96) (SOHC) obsolete
Mazdaspeed 3 makes the 3 obsolete
Mazdaspeed Protege makes the Protégé obsolete
Cooper S makes the Cooper (non-S) obsolete
Corolla XRS (2005-06), Matrix XRS (2003-06), & Vibe GT (2003-06) makes the Corolla, Matrix, and Vibe obsolete
Impreza 2.5 makes the Impreza (NOC) obsolete
Golf & Jetta (VR6) makes the Golf & Jetta obsolete
Golf, Jetta, & New Beetle (1.8T, Mk4 chassis) (1999-2005) makes the makes the Golf, Jetta, & Beetle TDI obsolete
New Beetle Turbo makes the Beetle obsolete
Passat VR6 makes the Passat (all, NOC) obsolete
R32 makes the Golf obsolete

[rojna]

LOL

I think the SRT-4 Neon should be in M3, just like SCCA (DSP)

[Loren]

Can always rely on Jeremy to take things over the top.

I'm okay with it either way, and if our most frequent M3 Neon pilot doesn't care that he has to compete against an SRT4, then move it down to M3.

The turbo thing is what's Jeremy's list doesn't fully account for. Our rules don't prevent you from swapping to a larger non-factory turbo or doing any other mods to the turbo or fuel system on a factory turbo car. That gives any turbo car in M3 capabilities that could far exceed that of a top level "DSP car on street tires".

The way OUR rules are so open and "turbo friendly", I could almost see bumping any "DSP" turbo cars to M2 by default.

[rojna]

The way OUR rules are so open and "turbo friendly", I could almost see bumping any "DSP" turbo cars to M2 by default.

I have the least HP in our class so im fine with either choice, but if we move all the turbo cars from M3 to M2 there wont be much left in our class

SRT-4 in M3